Unemployed people kill themselves at around two-and-a-half times the rate of those in work

[Overnight]

Better studies (old and recent) involving the relationship of suicide rates in connection to job stress. Higher the income with stress...higher the suicide rates.

If you only look at age & income levels...low income between 20 - 35 years of age have the highest suicide rates.

In contrast, if you look at profession with academic study...Doctors are killing themself more than any other profession. I think one doctor per day is killing themself in North America alone.

Other professions with very high suicide rates are:

Dentists

Financial Workers

Lawyers

Police Officers

Real Estate Agents

Electricians

Farm/Agriculture Workers

Phamacists

Lab Scientists

In college, I knew a few that killed themself...a dental student, pharmaceutical student and a law student. All three had no prior mental illness warnings and were top students in their class...all three did such on campus or in campus housing for grad students with families.

Sad to say because that would imply the stress (too much pressure) is a contributing factor early in the academics (grad school)...just before the professional career.

P.S. I read somewhere in a medical journal a few years ago that suicide rate among "new mothers" was rising faster than any other group...linked to postpartum depression that develops within a few months after childbirth. Highest in western civilization.

wrbtrader

Your analysis is flawed, or whatever study you pulled that from. I notice that conspicuously absent from your statistics are Air Traffic Controllers. I guess we can glean that ATC is less stressful than farmers, pharmacists and dentists?

It is almost criminal. If that is a scientific study with proper control, I will eat your hat.

 

[sle]

Suicide rate studies are as accurate as the Fed's unemployment rate reports. Seriously.

Why, you think a lot of murders get counted as suicide or some other issue? Oh, and what exactly do you see wrong with the BLS (not the Fed, FYI) unemployment report?

 

[Overnight]

Why, you think a of murders get counted as suicide or some other issue? Oh, and what exactly do you see wrong with the BLS (not the Fed, FYI) unemployment report?

What is BLS?

 

[wrbtrader]

Your analysis is flawed, or whatever study you pulled that from. I notice that conspicuously absent from your statistics are Air Traffic Controllers. I guess we can glean that ATC is less stressful than farmers, pharmacists and dentists?

It is almost criminal. If that is a scientific study with proper control, I will eat your hat.

It's not my analysis as if I looked at raw data and then computed my own analysis or research. Its statistical work by those that have access to the data and they then reported their rates to whom ever...just to be clear.

Different groups in the top lists depending upon the study.

Simply, the studies below do not list Air Traffic Controllers. Yet, I do remember seeing a different list (not below) that has Air Traffic Controllers among the top 5.

Therefore, not flawed nor my analysis....also a bit strange that you consider it "almost criminal"...never heard of that before.

Here's the study done by different groups. As you can see...the groups on the lists do in fact change while you'll see common professions like Doctors, Pharmacists, Farmers, Dentists on most lists.

https://choicespsychotherapy.net/jobs-with-highest-suicide-rates/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/these-jobs-have-the-highest-rate-of-suicide/

https://www.businessinsider.com/jobs-commit-suicide-2010-10

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/suicide-by-profession-1.3661004

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/suicide-rates-highest-among-farmers-fishermen-lumberjacks-1.2968546

https://www.careeraddict.com/10-careers-with-the-highest-suicide-rates

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/15/health/occupational-suicide-rate-cdc-study/index.html

https://www.learning-mind.com/suicide-rates-professions/

By the way, I've also notice the military not listed on many lists while listed on a few. Once again, its not my analysis nor my statistics. Yet, there's another study that list specific professions in the military that have high suicide rates. Those list correlate with many of the above professions.

Yet, more common among "veterans" than "active duty" or "reserves".

https://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/01/06/top-11-professions-with-highest-suicide-rates/

P.S. You can eat their hat.

wrbtrader (ex-military)

 

[JSOP]

What is BLS?

Bureau of Labor Statistics. It's the department that compiles the data for our beloved NFP each month.

 

[JSOP]

I knew a dental student in college in the U.S., dentist in France and dentist here in Québec. They all say its true.

As for the pharmacist...perfection on the medication requirement maybe ? Most likely similar like pressure as a Doctors.

For example, I was once given the wrong medication and the pharmacist over-reacted and acted as if it was the end of the world. He just mis-read the doctors prescription. They do have some of the highest litigation cases against them...up there with Dentists and Doctors.

Three different groups judging you and impacting your career: patients, legal court and the board of your profession.

wrbtrader

Well it is right for them to be scrutinized. Our lives depend on it. Misreading the doctor's prescription is a huge deal. I am glad you were Ok. If they weren't sure, all they needed to do is ask your condition to make sure the medication given is really for treating the condition or make up the phone and simply ask the doctor. Then he/she would've found out his/her error.

You are supposed to hold yourself to a high standard of excellence and perfectionism making sure that every single thing that comes out of your hands is 100% accuracy and to the highest standards of quality. That used to be the norm that people pride themselves on excellence and meticulousness and prudence, now that's put down as being a sticker and is laughed at and ridiculed at. Everybody is going for faster and more quantity. Quality? That's the consumer's problem. If I have to be a bit careful, OMG!!! The stress!! I just have to make sure I give the correct medication, with the correct dosage according to a piece of paper and if I can't read it, I just need to call to verify or ask the patient to verify. OMG!!! The stress!!!

 

[JSOP]

I would think the occupation that should have one of the highest level of suicide should be daycare teachers. LOL Watching over 20 screaming and crying disgusting kids 8 hours a day should drive anybody to jump out of the window but surprisingly that occupation is not on the list. LOL

 

[fordewind]

Disgusting kids...lol!

Having kids is by itself a suicide.

Nothing wrong in suicide in general I think.If your becoming nonfunctional why not using that option and nullify yourself.

 

[Visaria]

I may commit suicide one day. I'm open to the notion of choosing my time of death.

 

[newwurldmn]

Well it looks like people are killing themselves over what their respective gender roles are expecting them to play. Traditionally men's gender role expects them to be the breadwinner so men get depressed when they feel they are failing to bring home the bacon. Women don't kill themselves when they can't find work but they kill themselves when they can't find love because traditional gender roles place more importance on women to be more successful in relationships, Madame Butterfly, Miss Saigon comes to mind. On a subconscious level, I think it has to do again with our survival. We kill ourselves because we feel there is no hope for survival. Men used to be hunters to bring home the food and when they don't, the whole tribe perish and men still associate working with hunting today, with phrases like "making a killing in the market" so when men lose jobs they feel a despair that they can't survive anymore and their family can't survive anymore even though the family is less and less dependant on men to survive nowadays but something is slow to change. The article says "suicide is seen for the society as a collective failure" well then maybe the society can help by not ridiculing men so much when they take on a more domestic role, give more credit to stay-at-home dads who choose to remain more in their children's lives. Women on the other hand has always been in a domestic role where their sole source of income is from their life-partner, so success of women is measured by her emotional life, her relationships, her children and when women feel they failed in their relationships, they feel they can't survive anymore securing a source of income, so they choose to perish, subconsciously. Is it a coincidence that the higher incidence of suicide rates of women are found in China and India, the two of the most traditionally paternalistic cultures in the world?

But fear not, everything is changing. Robots are coming. When the robots are finally here, everybody would be out of work so who cares if the men are jobless. Nobody would be working even including the macho Mr. Jones next door. Since nobody is working, there would be no more pressure for men to be breadwinner as everybody would be able to survive regardless.

It’s also a breeding ground for terrorism. Muslim extremism in France, US white nationalism: it feeds on people with too much time and are bitter that they can’t get a job or get a job they want.