If every bar is random then the culmination of bars is also random and you have no story to tell nor anything to guess.Bars consist of price + time.
Every millisecond it changes.
Depending on the instrument, every second; price and time and actors and stories change.
Which bar is telling the story? The 5 second bar or the 1 minute bar, or the 4.5 minute bar.....?
If you trade a 5 minute bar, does the 5 minute bar have a story? NO!
Because the story at 4.5 minutes is different to 5 minutes because a whole pile of strangers traded and no-one has a clue on their motives.
Every bar is random.
It's only the culmination of bars where you can guess a likely outcome.
This thread has really driven home to me the cultist attitudes which prevail in trading.
If every bar is random then the culmination of bars is also random and you have no story to tell nor anything to guess.
Traders use “more buyers” or “ more sellers” in a generic sense to describe the forces at work. It is possible to have fewer sellers than buyers and price go down. You could have buyers backing away and price go down. You could have sellers backing away but the sum total of orders on either side staying the exact same and price moves up. You could have an institution (1 seller) hitting the bid over and over and 500 buyers and price goes down on 1 seller in spite of the fact there are 500 buyers. Or you could have 1 buyer and 500 sellers and price goes down...or up lol.Why complicate basic economics?
Every transaction has a buyer and a seller. Therefore, it is incorrect to say that price goes up because there are more buyers than sellers and goes down because more sellers than buyers.
Price is merely the intersection of demand and supply. If demand is greater than supply, price will increase. If demand is less than supply, price will decrease. If demand and supply are at equilibrium, price will go sideways (over time).
The history of this demand and supply relationship can be displayed on a chart. Take your pick. Price bars of a specific duration are merely the aggregation of demand and supply fluctuations within that duration. That's all. If there is a story there to be told in every bar, it is in your own mind and not the chart.
Sorry but you are FLAT WRONG.
I largely agree with this post regarding movement on price.Traders use “more buyers” or “ more sellers” in a generic sense to describe the forces at work. It is possible to have fewer sellers than buyers and price go down. You could have buyers backing away and price go down. You could have sellers backing away but the sum total of orders on either side staying the exact same and price moves up. You could have an institution (1 seller) hitting the bid over and over and 500 buyers and price goes down on 1 seller in spite of the fact there are 500 buyers. Or you could have 1 buyer and 500 sellers and price goes down...or up lol.
You could have a buyer wanting to buy 1000 contracts but he chips his way in on small size not wanting to drive the price up. He may even sell a few he buys to drive price down so he can buy his 800 contracts he lacks at a cheaper price.
So, yes it is a scenario of what is greater (usually) supply or demand that results in price movement. But saying more buyer than sellers or more sellers than buyers are just generic expressions. You are nitpicking which is exactly what happened and the reason why Erin left. Can’t say I blame her. Who wants to waste their time over the trivial BS.
Think about this: have you every heard of price “moving towards the wall?”
See there are all kind of scenarios. Variables known and unknowable. We can never know all the details of why price moves. It is IMPOSSIBLE. But we can know what happened when we see a bar. Who and why we may not know but “what” happened can easily be known unless you got birdshit in your eyes.
What you cowboys are leaving out is that the market has inertia. The finished bars, their range achieved, and their dynamics as they were being formed live tells the ASTUTE trader something about that inertia. Especially, when you look at each bar in terms of the larger context. LISTEN BOYS THE MARKET TENDS TO DO WHAT IT IS DOING UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT MAKES IT DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND AS AN ASTUTE TRADER I ACT UPON THAT INERTIA AND TENDENCY AND the bars to the left indicate to me when inertia is about to change. YES, they indeed have a story to tell. Sorry but you are FLAT WRONG.
You are right but getting a few counter punches in .....well there is some fun to it. And who knows just maybe something will clik on one statement...one sentence...one word..but the R:R is not good as they don't even believe in one bar. LOLNo way to convince anyone whose mind is already made up the other way.
WHAT??? No way Jose. You must have had a really good capuchino or expreso minutes ago.I largely agree with this post regarding movement on price.