Quote from Sam123:
I do admit I owe you a response in the âMuslimsâ thread. But my delay is because Iâm too busy responding to your more recent appalling posts!
In America, we call it âtwo-faced,â but NO: Iâm adamant about the 1st Amendment, period. McCarthy has a right to speak as much as Malcolm X, or some bearded Islamist in Detroit, as well as a homeless homosexual in San Francisco. Everyone has the right to sue, and yes: itâs Constitutional for people to send life-threatening letters to professors. However, the professor can use the legal system so sopoena the U.S. postal system to find out who sent the letter and then pass a restraining order, so that if the person gets near him, that person is breaking the law and can go to jail. And, of course, if the person breaks the multitude of established laws protecting life, liberty and property, the person is in big trouble.
McCarthy did not exercise his right to speak, McCarthy imposed his own set of rules which included firing people from their jobs and jailing others.
It is constitutional for people to send life-threatening letters to professors? What are you on Sam123??? How far are you willing to go to back your twarped logic?
What is next? It is constitutional anyone who opposes you and it is the right of the dead man to use the leagle system afterward.
Thereâs nothing wrong with using the freedom of speech as a tool of persuasion. As another example, if my neighbor is an Islamist who envisions an American Islamic theocracy, I have the right to tell him to kiss my proud judgmental ass, as well as publicly condemn, criticize, and oppose anything and everything he does to try to Islamize America. But at the same time, if I punch him in the nose, or burn his house down, or slap his children around, and thereâs evidence to prove it, I go to jail or pay a fine.
You are, once again, attempting to engage muslims in this subject as to give some weight to your lament argument. We are not talking about Muslims, we are talking about Jewish, Christian and Muslim professors who were moral and insane enough to oppose the state of Israel.
Punching professors in the nose, threatening to harm their children and burn their houses are methods used by fundamentalist Muslims in the Middle East to silence their opposition. such methods have proven successful in silencing these scholars and such methods are proven successful in silencing these professors.
Your belief system is another proof that you and fundamentalist Muslims have more in common than you would like us to think.
Well, the news is still unfolding on this, considering how the Islamist movement is trying really hard to crack Latin America. But I agree this was most likely a âgoofâ in this case. But goofs are not âexecutions,â by the way.
good one Sam123 as if any of you assholes waited for the news to unfold!! you were allover this forum expressing your patriotic right of being the judge and executioner of that poor Brazilian man. And now that you were caught with your pants down, exposing your patriotic ass...you would like for the news to unfold.
Kiss my hairy Arab ass sam123!!
The reason why students are âspyingâ on professors is because they must rely on outside sources to save the Institution. For all the faults of Human Nature, there is always a new crop of young people who see it for what it is. And these students see the belligerent closed-mindedness in their universities. Blame them for the fame of Campus Watch.
I love you man! couldn't articulated it better myself!! If these spying students happened to be in any other place on earth (preferably the Middle East) you would,ve been righting books about the lack of freedom of expression in these countries.
No wonder Putin told Condi rice to shut the fuck up about freedom of speech!! Keep it us comrade!!
I donât believe in the oppression of ideas. But you cannot rely on the rule of law or the Constitution to stop a growing consensus from realizing that certain ideas are not productive in a time of war. Both the Left and the Right are guilty of the hard-ball practice of "tar and feathering", as a means to make sure the pendulum of consensus swings their way.
I agree!! so when anyone attempts to examine the nature of Zionism â its origins, history and dynamics â they meet with people who terrorize or threaten them make bomb thred phone calls to radio stations that host them, announcements on university campuses of authorized forums or meetings on the subject invariably engenders a campaign designed to close off discussion. Posters are torn down as fast as they are put up. Meetings are packed by flying squads of Zionist youth who seek to break them up. Literature tables are vandalized and leaflets and articles appear accusing the speaker of anti-Semitism or, in the case of those of Jewish origin, of self-hatred.
Where are Jewish clubs in universities organizing marches on foreign patriotism that loathes American interests, capitalism, and policy? I heard of Hilel in college, but all the noise came from Palestinian groups masquerading as victims of American oppression. But in order to monopolize this microphone, the Palestinian groups had to morph themselves beyond the defense of Palestine. It had to be about American slavery, Marxism, todayâs minority, returning North America to the American Indian; hoping the Hispanics won the American-Mexican war. And, of course, .the defense of the poor against the rich. Bla bla bla.
Oh I did not know that you wanted me to drop my principles and stands just to have the honor to kiss your patriotic ass!! In regard to Marxism and the american -Mexican war...We did not go into demonstrations supporting them...Your Hilel foundation were active participants of demonstrations supporting the Afrikaner regime of South Africa though...Why is that I wonder!!
If the advocates of Palestine stuck to their original cause, American students looking for a cause wouldnât give a ratâs ass because it was foreign, regional, small and meaningless.
Or you would hope so!! there is nothing better than turning these students into beer gulping air head who will chant USA, USA at a signal from your hand.
The problem is that American consensus is tired of the the knee-jerk habit of blaming America first. Itâs not about opposing the state of israel. Itâs about having contempt for America in the first place.
Love how a neocon, hateful, raciest McCarthy worshiper represent himself as the reflection of the american consensus truth!!
Look around you Osama123, take this forum as an example...You really do not reflect the American consensus, you only represent a small group of fanatics that share the same goal with OBL.
You are right about McCarthy. But he went after the wrong people at the right time. The careers of harmless Communists in Hollywood were ruined, but at the same time, stealth Communists infiltrated the highest places in government and the Pentagon.
How beautiful!! You ruined the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, you turned one half of the population to spy on the other, you turned your state into a police state for you paranoia that tealth communists infiltrated the highest places in government and the Pentagon??
I love the fact that you are writing on a public forum...it really shows everyone who you guys really are!!
No one is trying to silence anybody. Itâs just that critics of the Left have been given the podium for the first time in years.
Yawwwwwwwwwwn, oh I am sorry buddy I should've known better than that, you just make bomb threats phone calls to radio stations, send threatning letters to people (Which you consider to be a constitutional right), physically attack attendees and lecturers of forums discussing Zionism, threaten university administrations, threaten book publishers, send students to spy on teachers and other students and other CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED rights .
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Uncomfortable Questions For Comfortable Jews
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Quote from WAEL012000:
McCarthy did not exercise his right to speak, McCarthy imposed his own set of rules which included firing people from their jobs and jailing others.
McCarthy did exercise his right to speak, but also used and abused his power and influence to go after the wrong people during a time when Communists did in fact infiltrate high places in government. Most of the damage came from ruined careers of Left-leaning people, some of whom played important roles in winning WWII. Yet, while he was going after Oppenheimer, other scientists in secret government labs were busy sending all the secrets to the Soviet Union. But anyone who abuses his power and influence doesnât usually last very long, and thatâs what happened to McCarthy.
You Lefties should be whining âMcCarthyâ rather than Nazism, because there is a risk of it happening again in dealing with global Islamism. McCarthyism had three effects, one negative and two positive: On one hand, it ruined the careers of harmless Left-leaning people, but on the other it made it more difficult for Communism to flourish in America because Left-leaning thinkers and advocates were marginalized. Donât forget that we had a small Communist party back in the Depression era, so the risk of Communism taking root in America was real. The third effect was that it got people to realize the hysteria going on throughout the country, which allowed McCarthy to go as far as he did to abuse his power and ruin careers of people who exercised their freedom of expression and thought.
Quote from WAEL012000:
It is constitutional for people to send life-threatening letters to professors? What are you on Sam123??? How far are you willing to go to back your twarped logic?
What is next? It is constitutional anyone who opposes you and it is the right of the dead man to use the leagle system afterward.
To put it more precisely, itâs UN-constitutional to take away freedom, life, liberty, and property from people who send life-threatening letters to professors. They merely exercise their 1st Amendment rights. You can't throw people in jail for what they think and say, Wael. Is it bad behavior? Yes. But these professors also have the right to sue, for âemotional distressâ and so on. All this stuff has nothing to do with the Constitution. Itâs state, and regional Civil Law. Finally, if a professor gets killed, it turns into Criminal Law, and the threatening letters can be used as evidence as a motive for murder.
Quote from WAEL012000:
You are, once again, attempting to engage muslims in this subject as to give some weight to your lament argument. We are not talking about Muslims, we are talking about Jewish, Christian and Muslim professors who were moral and insane enough to oppose the state of Israel.
Punching professors in the nose, threatening to harm their children and burn their houses are methods used by fundamentalist Muslims in the Middle East to silence their opposition. such methods have proven successful in silencing these scholars and such methods are proven successful in silencing these professors.
Yes, but what I said was that punching professors in the nose and/or harming their children and/or burning their houses are illegal. These are acts of violence that invokes regional/state Criminal Law.
Quote from WAEL012000:
Your belief system is another proof that you and fundamentalist Muslims have more in common than you would like us to think.
Your problem is that you point out the faults of Western Conservatism, when you should be spending your time pointing out the faults of Islamâs Conservatives. You wonât do it because unlike McCarthy ruining the careers of the Left, the Islamists will simply kill you. That alone makes Islamâs Conservatives very different from Western Conservatives.
Another way to put it: The reason why global Islamofacism grew to itâs current colossal size is that the Muslim Left spent all its time pissing on the Western Right and the American Christian Right, when it should have been spending the time fighting Osamaâs interpretation of Islam.
Quote from WAEL012000:
good one Sam123 as if any of you assholes waited for the news to unfold!! you were allover this forum expressing your patriotic right of being the judge and executioner of that poor Brazilian man. And now that you were caught with your pants down, exposing your patriotic ass...you would like for the news to unfold.
Iâll expose my patriotic ass anytime I can. But that doesnât mean I donât feel sorry for the Brazilian man and his family. Itâs just unfortunate, and that happens in life. But his death does not go in vain. The Brits will greatly improve their abilities in defeating the Islamic fascists taking root in their country.
Quote from WAEL012000:
Kiss my hairy Arab ass sam123!!
I bet that comes with a shit-load of dingleberries!!
Quote from WAEL012000:
Oh I did not know that you wanted me to drop my principles and stands just to have the honor to kiss your patriotic ass!! In regard to Marxism and the american -Mexican war...We did not go into demonstrations supporting them...Your Hilel foundation were active participants of demonstrations supporting the Afrikaner regime of South Africa though...Why is that I wonder!! .
Itâs not âmyâ Hilel foundation. And of course as usual, the Left always tries to pit Jews against all of the worldâs poor wronged by big business, capitalism, and apartheid.
Quote from WAEL012000:
Love how a neocon, hateful, raciest McCarthy worshiper represent himself as the reflection of the american consensus truth!!
Look around you Osama123, take this forum as an example...You really do not reflect the American consensus, you only represent a small group of fanatics that share the same goal with OBL.
How beautiful!! You ruined the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, you turned one half of the population to spy on the other, you turned your state into a police state for you paranoia that tealth communists infiltrated the highest places in government and the Pentagon??
I love the fact that you are writing on a public forum...it really shows everyone who you guys really are!!
Now you're getting hysterical and ridiculous. Trying to equate American Conservatism with Islamofacist Jihad is tiresome, and once again shows how you Middle Eastern Lefties continue to avoid your home-grown Osama problem.
As Iâve said before, both the Left and the Right can go too far, and today the Left has gone too far by teaching several generations how to not be judgmental of anything, including our enemies.
...And this is precisely why you guys continue to use schizophrenic moral equivalencies to support your arguments.
Quote from WAEL012000:
Yawwwwwwwwwwn, oh I am sorry buddy I should've known better than that, you just make bomb threats phone calls to radio stations, send threatning letters to people (Which you consider to be a constitutional right), physically attack attendees and lecturers of forums discussing Zionism, threaten university administrations, threaten book publishers, send students to spy on teachers and other students and other CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED rights .
You are confusing constitutional rights with good vs. bad behavior as well as hardball tactics between the Left and the Right; conservatives and liberals. Sending threatening letters to anyone is an act of bad behavior.
You might think the Left throwing pies at conservative speakers is good behavior.
You might think the âHey, Iâm a Palestinian Tooâ Club that follows and crashes Daniel Pipesâ lectures and disrupts his ability to be heard when the college invited him to be heard, is good behavior.
But while you think that students spying on Leftist indoctrinators represents bad behavior, I think itâs great! Let everybody see what these people are teaching our children.
You might think this is bad behavior:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/illustrating_absurdity/clubgitmo.guest.html
But I think it's hilarious.