UK DHS: Elderly Patients Denied Hospital Beds

[gaussian]

What, no tribunal for US leadership?

I think the western world is a victim of this. Negligence on the part of western governments lead to a worse situation. The situation would not have occurred on any scale remotely compared to what we are experience of China didn't have intention to hide information that would lead to a more serious response sooner. Our leadership is negligent but had no malicious intent. The WHO corroborated Chinese propaganda and so are co-conspirators in the intention to deceive the world about a literal plague. By the time the US could respond (at the earliest - late January when the WHO disinfo campaign stopped) hundreds of thousands of Chinese origin planes had already reached the US and because "banning incoming Chinese during this crisis" was seen as racist (according to the left) we couldn't just wholesale send them back home or completely close our borders like mango man had wanted. After it had already hit the negligence of the US government caused the situation to magnify. A situation that, as mentioned before, was almost entirely avoidable if it wasn't for CCP propaganda and doctor disappearing.

This goes into my analogy of a series of avoidable mistakes leading to an unavoidable disaster. If the first mistake was never made, the other mistakes wouldn't have happened (or would've had muted effect).

WTF lol are you talking about? What information?

Although I agree our administration (what some call it anyway besides what it is, Trump Crime Organization) should be tried, convicted and sentenced yesterday.

This is some far left thinking. In fact, I think anyone calling for Trump to "face charges" for this is a CCP co-conspirator. The left bleets on like robots about victim blaming except when it's orange man. The CCP and their propaganda drones on twitter/MSNBC/CNN/Facebook/Reddit/etc agree with you though.

Where was the CIA? Where was the vaunted Mossad?

How is this even relevant?

 

[Overnight]

Imagine you're on a battlefield and you just took on heavy casualties because of enemy shelling. There are dying men everywhere and not enough corpsmen to go around. In your triage center you have to decide now who lives in and who dies because Y is strictly bounded and new supplies are perhaps months out, and X is growing unbounded with each passing minute...

Pretty sure I saw that in a movie...Morphine, morphine!

 

[zdreg]

Where was the CIA? Where was the vaunted Mossad?
zdreg


Gaussian:How is this even relevant?
How come these organizations didn't know what was going in China?

 

[Cuddles]

I think the western world is a victim of this. Negligence on the part of western governments lead to a worse situation. The situation would not have occurred on any scale remotely compared to what we are experience of China didn't have intention to hide information that would lead to a more serious response sooner. Our leadership is negligent but had no malicious intent. The WHO corroborated Chinese propaganda and so are co-conspirators in the intention to deceive the world about a literal plague. By the time the US could respond (at the earliest - late January when the WHO disinfo campaign stopped) hundreds of thousands of Chinese origin planes had already reached the US and because "banning incoming Chinese during this crisis" was seen as racist (according to the left) we couldn't just wholesale send them back home or completely close our borders like mango man had wanted. After it had already hit the negligence of the US government caused the situation to magnify. A situation that, as mentioned before, was almost entirely avoidable if it wasn't for CCP propaganda and doctor disappearing.

This goes into my analogy of a series of avoidable mistakes leading to an unavoidable disaster. If the first mistake was never made, the other mistakes wouldn't have happened (or would've had muted effect).



This is some far left thinking. In fact, I think anyone calling for Trump to "face charges" for this is a CCP co-conspirator. The left bleets on like robots about victim blaming except when it's orange man. The CCP and their propaganda drones on twitter/MSNBC/CNN/Facebook/Reddit/etc agree with you though.



How is this even relevant?

I don't see how the Chinese trying to tamp down a foreign relations disaster is any more malicious than trying to keep the markets and poll numbers propped up by doing the same. How is the domestic response any less malicious?

I don't see how our reliance on information from a foreign power known for its shadiness and not our intelligence apparatus suddenly absolves us. What's next, we'll rely on Somalia to distribute foreign aid we send them? We'll rely on promises of no civil right abuses in Afghanistan?

 

[SunTrader]

.... The CCP and their propaganda drones on twitter/MSNBC/CNN/Facebook/Reddit/etc agree with you though.

How is this even relevant?

I wouldn't know. I don't read them ... ever. But I guess you do? I prefer reality. Chumpie's own words and actions.

How it is relevant? More like how is it not.

 

[SunTrader]

gaussian

I posted this elsewhere here earlier today. Check out the timeline and tell me where/when China hide info?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hell-coming-sold-national-security-163655629.html

 

[ph1l]

Check out the timeline and tell me where/when China hide info?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hell-coming-sold-national-security-163655629.html

It could have been before the first public report of the disease according to
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/

The Wuhan Institute of Virology in China indeed posted a job opening on November 18, 2019, “asking for scientists to come research the relationship between the coronavirus and bats.”

 

[apdxyk]

No wonder, the socialist mayor of NYC who denounces private property is performing yet another miracle. I am sure that all these wannabe traders contribute their future winnings to the cause of common good. Elite Traders Commune
So much hate...

 

[ET180]

I liked this because it was a funny hot take. However, you're not correct about this being discrimination.

When I posted that short quip, I knew that the intent was not because hospitals hate old people, but due to the triage approach. But actually, upon further review, it really is discrimination. Although apparently based on residence and not necessarily age. Quoting from the article

Ms Keeley said she had come across cases across the country, including in Greater Manchester, where people living in care homes had been told they would not be admitted to hospital, regardless of their underlying health condition.

So they are simply saying that if you are currently in a nursing home, you're f*cked - regardless of health condition. It really doesn't get any more discriminatory than that. A lot of people are in care homes for memory or other mental issues. They might be physically very healthy, but need special care. And who really deserves the hospital bed? The issue I have with this kind of triage is that it does not take into consideration other factors that should be considered. Say you have a 80 year old Vietnam veteran who sacrificed his life for his country, lived a productive life, took care of others and is in good health for his age. Then you have a 24 year old morbidly-obese, diabetic, smoker who has been smoking 2 packs a day since he was 18. Then you have a 35 year old 3-time convicted rapist and pedophile serving time in prison, but in excellent physical health. Who deserves the hospital bed? I think there are other factors that should be considered besides age. When I thought the article was about discrimination of old people, that was my main gripe about it. But when I actually read the article after posting, looks like it's an even more simple form of discrimination based on location. And when you think about it, triage really applies to everything since resources are finite. My state for example will pay something like $50k for gender reassignment surgery. Should that really be a right? Is it really moral to take money from tax payers so that someone can have a **** instead of a *****? Can you imagine what would happen if a public school said we can't take anyone with this characteristic because it turns out that they just drop out anyway and sell drugs. We needs to preserve resources for the students that use them.

Partially serious about the self-identifying as transgender though...good chance it would work if for no other reason than the hospital's desire to avoid legal and media attention. Although, in a few years given more "progress", maybe it would be easier for the elder to simply self-identify as a younger person.

 

[virtusa]

Well those who like to talk of other countries having "better" nationalized healthcare point to the good CV-19 examples currently, such as Germany ..... but ignore others like Italy and Spain.

Don't they have nationalized healthcare too?

Japan also was said to have it under control. Then whoops:

https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00657/coronavirus-cases-in-japan-by-prefecture.html

Thinking that nationalized healthcare is identical in each country is pure nonsense. Each country has it own way to organize it. Just like all carbuilders don't built the same cars. Or is a Mercedes the same as a Lada? Because that's the logic you use.
In Europe some countries have a critical shortage of ICU's but I know 1 country that still has over 50% capacity left over. Each country decides on its own where to invest in (which disease). Depending on which disease happens, different countries will be in the best position. Nationalized healthcare does not mean that you always have the best material to fight any disease. Because of the financial impact each country has to make choices. The US choose to do nothing.
The density of the population has a big impact too. The density in the US is 91 persons per square mile. In Europe that density is for The Netherlands 1,060,for France 306,for Germany 608, for the UK 724. Just watch what the density did with NY compared to the rural area in the US.

If I go to a doctor, I pay $9, if I get an operation that costs $3,000, I pay only $100-200. the rest is paid by the nationalized healthcare. In my country ALL people have this same healthcare. How about the US? More than half of the US population has no healthcare at all.