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Buy1Sell2 said:
The thing that folks don't want to acknowledge is that Trump brought him up close to winning. Bevin's opponent, was Beshear who was the son of a former governor of Kentucky and Beshear is a huge name in Kentucky politics. This is what won the race for the Dems---name recognition and Bevin unpopularity. You'll notice that the rest of the state went Republican including the first black attorney general who was all in with Trump. By the way, the new Republican attorney general replaces the Dem Beshear who was just elected Gubner.
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All of this is fine except you’re missing the point about comparable approval ratings between trump and Bevin.

This was a high turnout election mirroring what enthusiasm we are seeing for the presidential election. The fact that the democrat got so many votes in a red/red state should give you pause because it shows there are a lot of movable Republican voters.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
That was an under-discussed factor in the midterm gains for the dems as well.

They gained some seats (less than normal midterm gains, so not as predictive as the dems would like to make it out to be) but the dems who won in districts that were truly in play had to swing to the middle/moderate to win.

So that is not an easy play for Poco in those districts, so don't nominate Warren.

Of course, you would be nuts to nominate Biden either.

What a mess.

What to do?
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Democrats are fully into this fight of left vs moderate. I don’t know where it will end out but even Hillary is trashing Warren now. I would be impressed if she can maintain high poll numbers in the next few weeks.

As to what to do, Bloomberg is running for the president of Alabama now so that’s an option I suppose.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
Her best shot is with Biden as you suggest.

You know if I buy two lottery tickets, I guess that doubles my chance of winning. So agreeing that Joe is her best shot does not make it a good shot.

My advice to her would be to sit this dance out. She is young and can go again when the normal rotation of parties occurs. If Trump wins then people will be ready for a rotation at the end of his second term, if not already. If she runs now and links her fate to Biden or some other loser then she is damaged goods. If on the other hand, Trump loses in 2020 she will still be young and in favor with a lefty administration so her star and fate will still continue to rise.

She could do herself some real harm by teaming up with Biden and having to defend him. You know these progressives are a vicious crew and it is hard to keep up with the speed of their leftward movement. Just look at the effort that is being put into tamping down flare-ups of assertions that Obama was not woke enough and had bad policies on immigration and was Deporter-in-Chief, etc. Just imagine Abrams running with Biden, losing and then trying to go again down the road, having been tied to Biden. She would be worse off than if she had just decided to sit this one out. I get that Joe needs her. Just not sure she is going to let herself be taken down off the shelf even if Joe is the nominee.
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Certainly good points.
 
Tony Stark said:
But Biden/Abrams wouldn't lose though.Trump has no chance if Dems have high black voter turnout.
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Well Tree did make some good points, he should probably email her that post... and make no mistake, Joe does appear in need of a 24/7 I.V. drip of Red Bull. But as I said... who else can it be? For the same reasons Tree gave to steer clear of Joe.... I can cut and paste them and apply them to her teaming up with Pokey.
Because Pokey will lose
So if Joe does in fact win the nomination and he picks her to run with, I think they'll have a better than even chance at winning.
 
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TreeFrogTrader said:
Because why, Hillary trashed her?

Maybe Poco's campaign paid her to do that.

I know I would if I were running as a dem.
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No. Asking for Clinton to trash you in a democrat primary would be a stupid move. Ask Tulsi how that went.

Warren has jumped the shark with her $52 trillion healthcare plan. It’s open season on her and her wall mexico will pay for.

If she can sustain her support throughout the next few weeks then I will say her support is showing signs of being sticky and not trendy.
 
UsualName said:
No. Asking for Clinton to trash you in a democrat primary would be a stupid move. Ask Tulsi how that went.
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No. Tulsi's situation makes the opposite point. She had already run out of cash, and not qualified for the November debate and Hillary smacked her around and suddenly she was back in the news and no one in their right mind thinks that Tulsi's smackdown of Hillary did not hurt Hillary more than Tulsi. Solidifying her image of a bitter, tin-foil, ghost from Christmas past who is the source of the ruination of the dem party in 2016 and the reason the dems are out of power now.

If Tulsi could get another Hillary boost, she would take it in a minute.

But yes to all of Warren's various problems and being at risk. Y'all will recall that I have consistently said that one of the reasons why Joe's numbers have been stuck on high is not because he is so great but because the dems don't like anyone else so have no place to go. She does run a better campaign though. But, yes, all those stratospheric costs related to her proposals are eating her innards out. The costs, plus not letting anyone out of medicare for all under her plan. Losing, losing, losing ways to go.

Except where are they voters going to go? To Joe? Ahh, I dont think so. It would be better for Poco to just walk her shit back and deal with it early on.
 
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TreeFrogTrader said:
No. Tulsi's situation makes the opposite point. She had already run out of cash, and not qualified for the November debate and Hillary smacked her around and suddenly she was back in the news and no one in their right mind thinks that Tulsi's smackdown of Hillary did not hurt Hillary more than Tulsi. Solidifying her image of a bitter, tin-foil, ghost from Christmas past who is the source of the ruination of the dem party in 2016 and the reason the dems are out of power now.

If Tulsi could get another Hillary boost, she would take it in a minute.
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You look at things from a Fox News bubble. This is a terrible analysis. Tulsi is basically nonexistent in the democrat party.
 
vanzandt said:
Well Tree did make some good points, he should probably email her that post... .
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Disagree.His post only makes sense if Biden/Abrams had a decent chance of losing.He doesn't understand the power of the black vote but he might finally get it when Warren loses the democrat primary because the majority of black voters voted for someone else
 
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