UBS rogue trader loses $2 billion

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Why is it that every clown on ET is so friggin addicted to that damn stop loss. That's the reason 95% of traders fail. The other 5% are the ones who have learned there are other ways to manage risk besides the damn stop loss. Try a little basic math and see what you can find about managing risk. Stops <b>cause losses.</b>
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Ok, i'm a clown that will bite. I went short earlier today on crude oil at 8838. I had a stop 100 ticks away. I exited the position at 8900 for my own reasons. What should i have done instead of placing a stop loss order/exiting the position? Note the market is now over 9000.

(emg is also free to answer!)
 
Quote from dont:

rogue trader bullshit, they took a punt and like the wankers they are they got smacked plain and simple
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Exactly right. It's part of the playbook after the first such event some years back. Always a "rogue trader" to cast the blame upon when shit goes south. To be honest, I think it inspires far less confidence in a bank that the "risk managers" would somehow fail to supervise these losses IF these stories were legit.
 
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Good find, that one I do not remember. Was that Chicago, NYC, or London; and which office do you suppose oversaw the risk ? I find it strange but consistent that somehow US risk managers have better controls over 'rogue employees'. Notwithstanding idiot hedge funds like LTCM and Amaranth - where the risk is systemic by design and intent.
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It was some smaller branch office if I remember correctly. Some hick named "Dudley" I think.

Let's not forget that MF absorbed Refco which didn't have the most stellar reputation.
 
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2 billion....geezus
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The crazy thing is, and this goes for the Soc Gen situation as well, these were not esoteric OTC products. I could understand an OTC swap that would take longer for the firm to receive counterparty confirmation on.

Nuts. I don't get it.
 
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Ok, i'm a clown that will bite. I went short earlier today on crude oil at 8838. I had a stop 100 ticks away. I exited the position at 8900 for my own reasons. What should i have done instead of placing a stop loss order/exiting the position? Note the market is now over 9000.

(emg is also free to answer!)
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Visaria!! Where have u been!!!!


He is a rogue trader. Big difference between rogue trader and prop or house trader.

Rogue traders are like smalltraders/retail traders. They cheat their way to get in the house and manipulate their bosses to trade more (bribing or gave them an offer they cant refuse). They have no discipline and are gambers

Rogue traders are no different than Small Trades/Retail Traders meaning Rogue traders and smalltrader/retail traders will always lose.


More than 90% of small traders lose. They just lose!
 
Quote from emg:

Visaria!! Where have u been!!!!


He is a rogue trader. Big difference between rogue trader and prop trader.

Rogue traders ... cheat their way to get in the house and manipulate their bosses to trade more (bribing or gave them an offer they cant refuse). They have no discipline and are gambers
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Ok, so any ideas on how this guy cheated his way into the "house" and on how he manipulated the bonus? What amount of bribe would he have given? An offer the boss couldn't refuse, eh? Horse's head on a pillow? :D

An example of a rogue trader?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8uCOPbH7I
 
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Ok, so any ideas on how this guy cheated his way into the "house" and on how he manipulated the bonus? What amount of bribe would he have given? An offer the boss couldn't refuse, eh? Horse's head on a pillow? :D

An example of a rogue trader?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8uCOPbH7I
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Rogue Traders are the master of manipulator just like smalltraders/retail traders. they cheat and lie.

For example, in this elitetrader.com forum, majority of them CLAIM to be a successful trader (everybody is a winner). Not only in eliteforum but other sites such as twitter. These small traders/retail traders lie hoping they would land a trading job in the house.

Rogues traders and smalltraders share similarity. They are both gamblers, no discipline, and always blow their accounts.


Most of all, they always lose!
 
This is for Small Traders/Retail Traders:


Ask yourself this, why are you losing? I know you are losing.

The answer to the question why u are losing is:


u are a rogue trader. u keep blowing your account over and over and over again. Reload account and blow. Reload and blow. Reload and blow.

U should call yourself, rogue trader!
 
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