So a reasonable question is: Does the FBI maintain databases in Russia that are completely opaque and unreachable by the Russians? Why do we need to let Interpol roam unobstructed in our country when they are by definition populated by any number of people who may not have our best interests at heart. The "don't worry, everything is Ok" theme is pretty weak imo.
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U.S. placed under international police-state
- Thread starter nevadan
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Quote from bigdavediode:
I don't think anyone who has access to Google or any decent news source is "stumped." Mostly people can't be bothered to correct each and every single misconception and falsehood that are unquestioningly regurgitated in this ridiculously low-level "politics" forum.
If you want to know what's going on, just Google executive order 12425 -- the executive order signed by Reagan. And no, Interpol doesn't have agents investigating -- those work for national police and intelligence services in each country. It's solely an intelligence sharing outfit.
It's not really being "stumped" when I read this forum posts and are just bored to death by this drivel. I'm certain that others feel the same way about these nonsense posts.
Why amend the order and and grant immunity from our constitutional rights if they did not have assets currently or soon to be operating in our country.
Your assertion that they are just sharing intelligence has to be bullshit. There would be no need to have removed 2c if you were telling the truth.
This is a massive step in the wrong direction.
Liberals rightly complained about Bush going to far. They better start complaining now.
As americans were are protected by our rights to demand information from our law enforcement bodies. This move is very unconstitutional.
I can tell you from experience that forced disclosure of the case and the identity of the informants is one of our greatest checks against oppressive law enforcement tactics.
I think you must be the delusional one. You have bought into some commie cool aid.
Part of the tension between the constitution and law enforcement has recently played itself out in the issues surrounding gitmo and dichotomy between when the constitution applies to citizens and aliens vs when terrorists can be treated as enemy combatants. I am sure Obama was influenced by National Security issues. But, the choice he made is most likely very dangerous.
I think you should take another look at your propaganda. Our respect for our constitution and the rule of law is one of the things that made america free and great.
You simply can not underestimate the importance of the constitution, our courts respect for it and the freedom we have had tyranny and our ability to generate GDP.
Allowing law enforcement to work without being bound the Constitution is very very concerning.
I suspect you have no idea how much we rely on the integrity of the process. Even our basic narcotics officers have the power to destroy people if they choose to act in an unconstitutional manner.
I believe most cops want to do good. The system we have already compromises them in many criminal investigations. Without our constitutional checks it could quickly get out of hand.
I think you must be the delusional one. You have bought into some commie cool aid.
Part of the tension between the constitution and law enforcement has recently played itself out in the issues surrounding gitmo and dichotomy between when the constitution applies to citizens and aliens vs when terrorists can be treated as enemy combatants. I am sure Obama was influenced by National Security issues. But, the choice he made is most likely very dangerous.
I think you should take another look at your propaganda. Our respect for our constitution and the rule of law is one of the things that made america free and great.
You simply can not underestimate the importance of the constitution, our courts respect for it and the freedom we have had tyranny and our ability to generate GDP.
Allowing law enforcement to work without being bound the Constitution is very very concerning.
I suspect you have no idea how much we rely on the integrity of the process. Even our basic narcotics officers have the power to destroy people if they choose to act in an unconstitutional manner.
I believe most cops want to do good. The system we have already compromises them in many criminal investigations. Without our constitutional checks it could quickly get out of hand.
you can only ask questions regarding something you already have some clues about, how can you question something you do not know? and it's not like they're going to hand out the information to you, that's why they only hire people with some form of clearance
and don't forget; humans can and do lie, and also what the hell are you thinking, that when you ask something they actually provide you with the truth and the truth alone?
and don't forget; humans can and do lie, and also what the hell are you thinking, that when you ask something they actually provide you with the truth and the truth alone?
and as you know they can always set people up, that's the easiest shit they can pull off, and they have done it in the past, what makes you think they still don't do it, or that it will never be done to you, 6 ounces of cocaine in your fucking house and you are shut up and put to prison for 10 years and raped by some gay ass niggar till your ass opens as wide as your face, I want to see you talk after going through all that shit
why are americans so naive?
why are americans so naive?
Quote from jem:
Even our basic narcotics officers have the power to destroy people if they choose to act in an unconstitutional manner.
as if they don't, don't fucking stick your head in the sand, you know that kind of shit happens alot here
Quote from jem:
I believe most cops want to do good.
no, cops are humans, humans function mainly based on emotion rather than logic, give them any form of authority and power and they will abuse it almost if and when they can, plus cops are employees they just want their checks at the end of the month, so they try to do what they are told, they are not out there to save the world, they are not fucking supermen as your childish mind assumes them to be
really why are americans so naive?
because I worked for a district attorney for a little while and many of my friends did for a decade or so.
I know some cops lie to make sure the case sticks to criminals. But they frequently get concerned when people have no criminal record. And I know that prosecutors are sometimes compromised and sometimes overzealous to get convictions - but they hate breaking the law and get very concerned when the constitution gets involved.
Usually (in my opinion based on admittedly limited experience) somewhere in the chain somebody - and it sometimes the judge in chambers - makes sure the constitution is taken seriously - when a non criminal might be implicated. When criminals are involved the lines are not as clear.
It is why powerful police agencies have to be kept in check. it does not take much for a failure to appear on a driving violation or even a minor criminal record can really start working against someone.
You let some law enforcement agency start working with immunity from the constitution and we could all be screwed.
I think the difference between your cynicism and my view is that I believe and I have seen the constitution work. It is not naive - it is based on real life.
I know some cops lie to make sure the case sticks to criminals. But they frequently get concerned when people have no criminal record. And I know that prosecutors are sometimes compromised and sometimes overzealous to get convictions - but they hate breaking the law and get very concerned when the constitution gets involved.
Usually (in my opinion based on admittedly limited experience) somewhere in the chain somebody - and it sometimes the judge in chambers - makes sure the constitution is taken seriously - when a non criminal might be implicated. When criminals are involved the lines are not as clear.
It is why powerful police agencies have to be kept in check. it does not take much for a failure to appear on a driving violation or even a minor criminal record can really start working against someone.
You let some law enforcement agency start working with immunity from the constitution and we could all be screwed.
I think the difference between your cynicism and my view is that I believe and I have seen the constitution work. It is not naive - it is based on real life.