Beware of false trends. Or shall we say,
All generalizations are false
U.S. military casualties in wars since 1775.
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Beware of false trends. Or shall we say,
All generalizations are false
I agree that the anti-Americanism gets extremely old.
It's pretty easy to see that 90% of it based in jealously. Simply put, we get blamed for virtaully all of the world's problems.
We're blamed if we get involved in other regions' problems, and we get blasted if we sit on the sidelines. It's a lose-lose.
I would venture to say that given the opportunity, around 70%+ of the worlds population would move here in a millisecond if they were given US citizenship.
Capitalism is an easy target as well. The greedy corporations are out to get everyone. Yet, it's the corporate quest for profits that propels the world's advancement and increased standard of living.
If your country sucks, then rather than spending your time bitching about the US, you might want to get off your ass and change your corrupt, lazy country and make it better........
On second thought, it is much easier to just blame all of the problems on the US, capitalism, Bush, Cheney, ect.
It's pretty easy to see that 90% of it based in jealously. Simply put, we get blamed for virtaully all of the world's problems.
We're blamed if we get involved in other regions' problems, and we get blasted if we sit on the sidelines. It's a lose-lose.
I would venture to say that given the opportunity, around 70%+ of the worlds population would move here in a millisecond if they were given US citizenship.
Capitalism is an easy target as well. The greedy corporations are out to get everyone. Yet, it's the corporate quest for profits that propels the world's advancement and increased standard of living.
If your country sucks, then rather than spending your time bitching about the US, you might want to get off your ass and change your corrupt, lazy country and make it better........
On second thought, it is much easier to just blame all of the problems on the US, capitalism, Bush, Cheney, ect.
This site http://bss.sfsu.edu/tygiel/Hist427/texts/wwiicasualty.htm has US dead at 295,000, still a lot more than I would have thought. Soviet Union at over 25,000,000
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Ivanovich: That would take all of about 10 minutes.
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January 2, 2007
SouthAmerica: I guess Ivanovich - âThe Bolshevikâ â is back in town.
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Ivanovich: That would take all of about 10 minutes.
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January 2, 2007
SouthAmerica: I guess Ivanovich - âThe Bolshevikâ â is back in town.
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Ken_O: Now whether you like it or not oil is now the lifeblood of this world, and we as Americans will protect such interests. Disruptions to the global supply has implications from America all the way around the world.
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January 2, 2007
SouthAmerica: You said: âoil is now the lifeblood of this worldâ, but that is not true regarding Brazil.
If we have a disruption to the global supply of oil â Brazil would not miss it as much as the other major industrialized countries around the world - since as of 2006 Brazil is energy independent and Brazil is already a country living in the future.
Only countries that still are living in the past are so heavily dependent on oil supplies from other countries.
It is sad, that some major industrialized countries learned nothing from past oil shocks. But after the oil shock of the 1970âs Brazil learned a lesson, and did something about to correct its dependence on imported oil, and today Brazil is self-sufficient regarding its energy needs. If the entire Middle East go up in smoke Brazil would not be affected as much as the United States and Europe.
Even when the United States is trying to jump on the ethanol bandwagon â they canât do it right â since they chose to make ethanol from corn instead of sugar cane.
And look what is happening to the price of corn in the last year â almost doubled in price and now started having an effect also in the price of soybean. The increase in price of these 2 commodities have an impact on the price of livestock feed and so onâ¦..
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Ken_O: Now whether you like it or not oil is now the lifeblood of this world, and we as Americans will protect such interests. Disruptions to the global supply has implications from America all the way around the world.
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January 2, 2007
SouthAmerica: You said: âoil is now the lifeblood of this worldâ, but that is not true regarding Brazil.
If we have a disruption to the global supply of oil â Brazil would not miss it as much as the other major industrialized countries around the world - since as of 2006 Brazil is energy independent and Brazil is already a country living in the future.
Only countries that still are living in the past are so heavily dependent on oil supplies from other countries.
It is sad, that some major industrialized countries learned nothing from past oil shocks. But after the oil shock of the 1970âs Brazil learned a lesson, and did something about to correct its dependence on imported oil, and today Brazil is self-sufficient regarding its energy needs. If the entire Middle East go up in smoke Brazil would not be affected as much as the United States and Europe.
Even when the United States is trying to jump on the ethanol bandwagon â they canât do it right â since they chose to make ethanol from corn instead of sugar cane.
And look what is happening to the price of corn in the last year â almost doubled in price and now started having an effect also in the price of soybean. The increase in price of these 2 commodities have an impact on the price of livestock feed and so onâ¦..
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Forex-Forex:
Quote from southamerica:
World War Two, (1941-1946) = 405,399 dead, 671,846 wounded.
This site http://bss.sfsu.edu/tygiel/Hist427/...wiicasualty.htm has US dead at 295,000, still a lot more than I would have thought. Soviet Union at over 25,000,000
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January 2, 2007
SouthAmerica: The way you quoted the above information it looks like I made up the numbers published on my posting.
But if you read again my posting you would see that the reporters from Reuters wrote that article and they say in the article that they quoted the US Department of Defense as the source of their numbers and information.
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Forex-Forex:
Quote from southamerica:
World War Two, (1941-1946) = 405,399 dead, 671,846 wounded.
This site http://bss.sfsu.edu/tygiel/Hist427/...wiicasualty.htm has US dead at 295,000, still a lot more than I would have thought. Soviet Union at over 25,000,000
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January 2, 2007
SouthAmerica: The way you quoted the above information it looks like I made up the numbers published on my posting.
But if you read again my posting you would see that the reporters from Reuters wrote that article and they say in the article that they quoted the US Department of Defense as the source of their numbers and information.
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Bsparkyman: Thanks for the gut check.
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January 2, 2007
SouthAmerica: If you want a real reality check then get a copy of The New York Times dated January 1, 2007. The newspaper shows a front-page picture of the grave of an American soldier who died in Iraq â he was 28 years old and he leaves behind a wife and three children.
Then starting with page A10 - The New York Times published on the following 4 pages the picture of almost every American soldier who died in Iraq in the current war â there were over 3,000 casualties so far and believe it or not these people are not just a number â they also had faces â most of them had a âyoungâ face.
Why all these kids were sacrificed?
Because the United States has not been able to put its act together since the 1970âs â These kids died because the United States needs to secure sources of oil from the Middle East to keep the Americans SUVâs on the road.
And so far over 3,000 American kids died in Iraq, and another 22,000 were wounded â Why? - because of âOIL.â
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Bsparkyman: Thanks for the gut check.
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January 2, 2007
SouthAmerica: If you want a real reality check then get a copy of The New York Times dated January 1, 2007. The newspaper shows a front-page picture of the grave of an American soldier who died in Iraq â he was 28 years old and he leaves behind a wife and three children.
Then starting with page A10 - The New York Times published on the following 4 pages the picture of almost every American soldier who died in Iraq in the current war â there were over 3,000 casualties so far and believe it or not these people are not just a number â they also had faces â most of them had a âyoungâ face.
Why all these kids were sacrificed?
Because the United States has not been able to put its act together since the 1970âs â These kids died because the United States needs to secure sources of oil from the Middle East to keep the Americans SUVâs on the road.
And so far over 3,000 American kids died in Iraq, and another 22,000 were wounded â Why? - because of âOIL.â
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May 29, 2007
SouthAmerica: On this Memorial Day weekend there was a lot of talk on television about the people who died on the American wars.
But when people talk about the current war in Iraq the figures are distorted when compared with the figures from the Vietnam War.
The New York Times had a front-page article on May 19, 2007 â âDeath Toll for Contractors Reaches New High in Iraq.â â As military steps up efforts, risks also rise for drivers, translators and others.
Then the article said regarding the current Iraq War: ââ¦That brings the total number of contractors killed in Iraq to at least 917, along with more than 12,000 wounded in battle or injured on the job, according to government figures and dozens of interviews."
During the Vietnam War most of these people would have been part of the US forces. But today the US armed forces have outsourced part of the death toll and number of wounded people to a new group called contractors.
But for all practical purposes for us to have a better picture of the total death toll in Iraq plus the number of wounded American soldiers then we need to adjust the numbers to also include the numbers related to the contractors.
A better estimate of the Iraq War number of casualties and wounded is:
US Military Fatalities as of May 28, 2007 = 3,466 people
Contractors Fatalities as of May 19, 2007 = 917 people
Total Fatalities = 4,383 people.
US Military wounded as of May 28, 2007 = 25,242 people
Contractors wounded as of May 19, 2007 = 12,000 people
Total Wounded = 37,242 people
Source: http://icasualties.org/oif/
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The New York Times article of May 19, 2007.
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May 29, 2007
SouthAmerica: On this Memorial Day weekend there was a lot of talk on television about the people who died on the American wars.
But when people talk about the current war in Iraq the figures are distorted when compared with the figures from the Vietnam War.
The New York Times had a front-page article on May 19, 2007 â âDeath Toll for Contractors Reaches New High in Iraq.â â As military steps up efforts, risks also rise for drivers, translators and others.
Then the article said regarding the current Iraq War: ââ¦That brings the total number of contractors killed in Iraq to at least 917, along with more than 12,000 wounded in battle or injured on the job, according to government figures and dozens of interviews."
During the Vietnam War most of these people would have been part of the US forces. But today the US armed forces have outsourced part of the death toll and number of wounded people to a new group called contractors.
But for all practical purposes for us to have a better picture of the total death toll in Iraq plus the number of wounded American soldiers then we need to adjust the numbers to also include the numbers related to the contractors.
A better estimate of the Iraq War number of casualties and wounded is:
US Military Fatalities as of May 28, 2007 = 3,466 people
Contractors Fatalities as of May 19, 2007 = 917 people
Total Fatalities = 4,383 people.
US Military wounded as of May 28, 2007 = 25,242 people
Contractors wounded as of May 19, 2007 = 12,000 people
Total Wounded = 37,242 people
Source: http://icasualties.org/oif/
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The New York Times article of May 19, 2007.
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