U.S. Healthcare in Crisis.

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The major flaw in your thinking is you ardently believe " in a free lunch".
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Quote from RangeBar:

You will not find any post made by me that claims or insinuates that I am looking for a 'free lunch'.
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Please learn how think or to read what is written.

I didn't claim you are looking for "a free lunch" moron , only that you ardently believe in them.

Realistically that makes you just as bad if not more dangerous than the person only looking out for personal gain at the expense of "others".
 
Quote from Lucrum:

Plenty, you act as if the ONLY reason for bankruptcy is medically related.
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Your response doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's a direct threat to your prosperity.


I'm not paying 26% increases.

But keep the exaggerations coming, there is surely someone out there naive enough to believe them.
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A friend of mine was faced with 26% increase in his premiums. One person I know was lucky enough to only have 16%. What's your percentage increase each and every year? 8%? 10%?
 
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Please learn how think or to read what is written.

I didn't claim you are looking for "a free lunch" moron , only that you ardently believe in them.

Realistically that makes you just as bad if not more dangerous than the person only looking out for personal gain at the expense of "others".
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My plans, which I have posted many times in the last year, requires EVERYBODY to pay more in taxes for health care security. (Of course, assuming employers add back their current health care costs to the employee paychecks, MOST will still see a net cash flow GAIN.)

Furthermore, the tax increases that I propose continue the progressive tax rate structure that we currently have and we have the most fairest tax structure that can be devised. The more you make, the greater the your tax percentage.

We do agree on one thing: there is no such thing as a free lunch.
 
Quote from RangeBar:

Damn dude; you're living in the lap of luxury, free of pretty much every threat that has traditionally confronted man, and will probably live to 75 at least. If an American loses three hours of electric service or five minutes of cell phone connection they feel its a crisis.

In short, in spite of all of the imaginary and half-truths found in your statement, I'd our gov't, (which is to say THE PEOPLE), have done a pretty good job in getting us where we are.

I have far more faith in the gov't, something I can at least vote for representation, than a profit-oriented private health insurance company who couldn't care less about my medical woes. If I have any fears of gov't control it would be that they would offer TOO MUCH coverage; like Viagra or cosmetic surgery.
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The government will confiscate the fruits of your labour, whether you`re represented or not.

A private insurance company in a free market, that does not provide what you`re demanding, will lose your business to someone who offer a better product!
 
Quote from RangeBar:

In 2007, 62%+ of all personal bankruptcies were due to medical bills. Of that 6 out of 10, 4 HAD health insurance when they got sick. NOBODY in Europe, Canada or Japan files for bankruptcy due to medical bills; NOBODY.
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Do they have healthy lifestyles? The europeeans, canadians and japanese are waiting/dying in line!
- A person is employed, gets a chronic illness, loses their job, loses their health insurance: bankrupt.
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Why should health insurance be attached to employment, why not the person in question?
- A person is employed, their child gets a chronic illness, their employer gets a rate increase, the employee loses their job: bankrupt.
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Why should health insurance be attached to employment, why not the person in question?
- A person pays for health insurance. They pay 5, 10, 15 years. They file marginal claims that are far below what they have paid in. Suddenly, they get a chronic illness: policy cancelled; bankruptcy filed.
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Why have they entered an agreement that`s not watertight?
Yes, I have FAR more faith in gov't. How many Social Security checks have failed to mailed- none. How many Medicare recipients have 'left the system' for PRIVATE coverage: NONE. How many Veterens have left the system to purchase 'insurance' from a private company: NONE.[The government can spend/promise money it doesn`t have, it`s a ponzi scheme, i.e. it can`t last forever!
Correct me if I'm wrong, Lucrum. You are either a senior citizen getting Medicare and/or a military vet or other government worker who gets their medical care/insurance PAID for by TAXPAYERS; for LIFE. In other words, YOU are opposed to everybody getting what YOU ALREADY HAVE.
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How can everybody get everything?
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Quote from RangeBar:

O.K.- I'm wrong. Been there before; will be there again. Kudos for you and your friend for ignoring your own best interests.

However, the majority of us, (agreed, MOST of us DON'T contract chronic disease's), agreed to participate in programs that protect those who might. It's kinda like car or home insurance: we'll buy in and HOPE we lose the bet. You know, the greater good and all.

So it really comes down to this: WHY do YOU think that private insurance companies will provide better, more secure benefits than the gov't ? Where, specific examples, has the gov't ever failed to provide the benefits that the laws provided? Why would you entrust your family's health care to a company whose best interest, (profit), lies in denying your medical claims? If it hasn't happened yet it is only due to the fact that your premiums paid continue to be greater than the claims paid: otherwise, you would be 'cancelled'.
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What`s everybody`s best interest?

Private insurance could sell you the insurance you want/need(free market), if the government would let them/you make that deal. Is that a joke, what has the government ever delivered as promised? I would prefer to enter into an agrement both I/the insurance company were satisfied with, and I would prefer to have a government that made sure that that agreement was uphold by both parties(free market).
 
Quote from RangeBar:

You will not find any post made by me that claims or insinuates that I am looking for a 'free lunch'.

I support a guarantee health care package for everybody and paid for by everybody with money from general tax receipts. I have advocated here on ET and to my two TN senators that this program should be PAID for with tax increases of 2%, 3%, 5%, and 7% on each of the four respective tax brackets (lowest to highest). I'm not getting health insurance for 'free' today (I pay $6,600 annually for wife and self): I don't expect it to be free tomorrow.

The logic of single-payer, universal coverage is the same as public education, interstate highways, Social Security/Medicare: everybody pays and everybody has access. The young will pay more than they use today (just as they pay more to insurance companies than they use today) and they will use more 'tomorrow' than they will be paying.

The LUCKIEST among us will use LESS than we pay; the unfortunate will use MORE than they pay. In any event, LIFE will be MORE secure for all us.
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Are there no limits, can everyone get more than they produce, there has to be a balance, one can`t get more than one produces/receives in charity.

Well somone will be getting more than they pay for tomorrow, and it will not be charity, but extortion.

Public schooling, roads, healthcare are all mediocre at best.

It`s a ponzi scheme, future generations, that are not even born yet, will be forced to pay.
 
Quote from RangeBar:

My plans, which I have posted many times in the last year, requires EVERYBODY to pay more in taxes for health care security. (Of course, assuming employers add back their current health care costs to the employee paychecks, MOST will still see a net cash flow GAIN.)

Furthermore, the tax increases that I propose continue the progressive tax rate structure that we currently have and we have the most fairest tax structure that can be devised. The more you make, the greater the your tax percentage.

We do agree on one thing: there is no such thing as a free lunch.
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Are anyone allowed to buy a private insurance instead?

Why should people pay more for goods/services, if they produce more goods/services?

You think there should be a free lunch for some people, right?

"An interview on the US health care crisis with Dr. Mary Ruwart, http://www.ruwart.com. Mary J. Ruwart, Ph.D. is a former pharmaceutical research scientist and Assistant Professor of Surgery. She has worked extensively with the disadvantaged in low-income housing and was a contender for the 1992 Libertarian Party Vice-Presidential nomination. Her scientific, political, and community activities have been profiled in several prestigious biographical works, including American Men and Women of Sciences, World's Who's Who of Women, International Leaders in Achievement, and Community Leaders of America"
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Remember the paradigm for anything "public" is the public restroom.
A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very interesting
statistics from a survey by the United Nations International Health Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:

U.S. 65%

England 46%

Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within
six months:

U.S. 93%

England 15%

Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six
months:

U.S. 90%

England 15%

Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:

U.S. 77%

England 40%

Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:

U.S. 71

England 14

Canada 18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent
health":

U.S. 12%

England 2%

Canada 6%
 
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