U.S. Alleges Full Tilt Poker Was Ponzi Scheme

Quote from bullmarket79:

bud exactly, the anti free market, big government, nanny state republicans outlawed such things although the wto found it illegal to outlaw internet gambling. Time for a real third party based on capitalism in the USA.

Good luck. Republicans will luckily destroy Obama in 2012, but it may be close. There's just too many socialists in this country for there to be a true conservative party. I have no problem with you griping, but the world is what it is and we'll have to settle for the Republicans, as awful as they sometimes are.
 
you gambled and put your money at risk in a venture that was clearly against the law and flaunting it.

the biggest fold you ever saw.
 
Quote from atticus:

Clients deposit funds with the expectation of profits through a table game.

And that is why it is not a Ponzi, just common theft. If the definition doesn't fit, you must acquit. :)

Just like if a bank president runs away with the depositors money, that isn't a Ponzi....Players weren't promised high rate of returns, no matter how they play. They were promised winnings returned, if they are good at poker.

Now to correct myself, good old Charles originally did buy some IRCs (international reply coupon) and tried to redeem them:

"He borrowed money and sent it back to relatives in Italy with instructions to buy postal coupons and send them to him. However, when he tried to redeem them, he ran into an avalanche of red tape."

After that it was straight out fraud.... Here is the best part: "Soon afterward, Ponzi started his own company, the "Securities Exchange Company"

The Full Tilt guys simply just stole the clients money, as it seems.

For extra fun, here is Ponzi's autobiography:

The Rise of Mr. Ponzi

http://pnzi.com/
 
Quote from atticus:

As of March, the company had only $60 million left in its bank accounts while owing around $390 million to gamblers around the world.

That's a Ponzi, defined. They assumed that the rake would bail them out eventually.

No it isn't. A Ponzi is a scheme where investors are enticed by high returns, which are then paid out by subscriptions from new investors. A Ponzi is not simply any enterprise where liabilities are greater than assets - that is just an insolvent business.
 
Quote from WS_MJH:

Good luck. Republicans will luckily destroy Obama in 2012, but it may be close. There's just too many socialists in this country for there to be a true conservative party. I have no problem with you griping, but the world is what it is and we'll have to settle for the Republicans, as awful as they sometimes are.

You better hope so. As bad as the Republicans are, they're still one notch above the muck of the Dems. Unfortunately, "one notch" isn't worth much. We need the leadership which will "rise above". Also unfortunately, we're not likely to get that regardless of who gets elected. There are just too many parasites draining the life from our formerly capitalist/personal freedom system.
 
Quote from Pekelo:

And that is why it is not a Ponzi, just common theft. If the definition doesn't fit, you must acquit. :)

Just like if a bank president runs away with the depositors money, that isn't a Ponzi....Players weren't promised high rate of returns, no matter how they play. They were promised winnings returned, if they are good at poker.

Now to correct myself, good old Charles originally did buy some IRCs (international reply coupon) and tried to redeem them:

"He borrowed money and sent it back to relatives in Italy with instructions to buy postal coupons and send them to him. However, when he tried to redeem them, he ran into an avalanche of red tape."

After that it was straight out fraud.... Here is the best part: "Soon afterward, Ponzi started his own company, the "Securities Exchange Company"

The Full Tilt guys simply just stole the clients money, as it seems.

For extra fun, here is Ponzi's autobiography:

The Rise of Mr. Ponzi

http://pnzi.com/

I acquiesce.
 
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