Typical Union Thugs

Ricter said:
If this is true of unions in general, then it's true of management in general, too. Which is kind of the whole point of unionism, countervailing power, right?
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No. at least not anymore, yes collective bargaining makes sense for employees of a specific company, not unrelated segments of the labor force. unions are economic cancer, and their existence makes no sense. for example wtf does the uaw have to do with card dealers in CT? nothing is correct, but the dealers at the ct casinos are part of the uaw.

public sector unions though, are a real abomination, if you work for the govt YOU are a public servant.. don't like your deal, fucking quit. you clearly shouldn't get to extort taxpayers by holding govt services (also taxpayer funded) hostage until you get what you want.
 
PiggyBank said:
No. at least not anymore, yes collective bargaining makes sense for employees of a specific company, not unrelated segments of the labor force. unions are economic cancer, and their existence makes no sense. for example wtf does the uaw have to do with card dealers in CT? nothing is correct, but the dealers at the ct casinos are part of the uaw.

public sector unions though, are a real abomination, if you work for the govt YOU are a public servant.. don't like your deal, fucking quit. you clearly shouldn't get to extort taxpayers by holding govt (also taxpayer funded) services hostage until you get what you want.
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First, let's admit union membership and influence is a small share of its former levels. Then, let's consider whether capital's owners also have any "collectivization" which cuts across various sectors--of course they do, and I submit that that has waxed as unionization has waned.
 
Ricter said:
First, let's admit union membership and influence is a small share of its former levels. Then, let's consider whether capital's owners also have any "collectivization" which cuts across various sectors--of course they do, and I submit that that has waxed as unionization has waned.
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aside from ignoring what i posted, you are acting like unions somehow restore balance to the universe. What does it matter if capital flows freely in relation to unions? it doesn't. If you work for a company where the owner makes more and more every year, that does NOT entitle you to a bigger share.

Now if you and your fellow employees band together, you have some natural leverage and can make demands of your employer, or threaten to stike. And, depending on your value to the company, you may get what you want or at least something more. on the other hand if you collectively have zero skills, then you might be fired and replaced. oh well that's how it worked out.

But why should unions get to walk into a private company and demand that the employees join up, or vote on it? why shouldn't the owner be able to tell them to piss off and never show up on his property again? seriously explain to me what right a union has to pull these stunts.
 
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