TWTR <-- Dead Meat

ph1l said:
Yes, the Russian government, other governments (U.S. included), and of course political parties continually put out misinformation. But with an election featuring two extremely polarizing people (Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump), political lies are unlikely to change who voters chose.
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i doubt that. There are always a lot of people on the fence. There are a lot of people on the fence of going out and voting.
Russian propaganda tried (among other things) to get Hillary leaning voters and blacks to stay home.
 
newwurldmn said:
i doubt that. There are always a lot of people on the fence. There are a lot of people on the fence of going out and voting.
Russian propaganda tried (among other things) to get Hillary leaning voters and blacks to stay home.
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The good news is most of the time, our votes don't make a difference.:)
 
Sig said:
So first off, there is no question that Russia manipulated the 2016 election in a massive way. It was in fact hijacked.
And perhaps you didn't actually read the Mueller report, which most certainly did find wrongdoing. Wrongdoing that resulted in charges against 34 individuals and 3 companies, 8 guilty pleas, and a conviction at trial. And found wrongdoing on the Presidents part but stated that current regulations precluded any charges being brought against him as the sitting President. You guys really need to put this whole "nothing found" myth, it's so easily disprovable and obviously false.
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You're trump-haters hillarious. LOL

conviction against russians unidentified hackers who posted on facebook
and guilty pleas about non paid taxes

And that's after 4 years non stop propaganda and conspiracy theories of all kinds on all mainstream and social media

and compare current election when facebook by itself chose side
and basically it's crystal clear 2020 elections were anything but the honest

(I must be banned now for unproved consipracy theories)

by the way - you have to admit Russian are extremely restrained given what USA does to undermine Russia
even hijacking presidential election would be quite mild reaction
Too bad Russias didn't try even that
 
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kmiklas said:
Nice work, TWTR Brass... way to alienate 74,000,000 American voters overnight!

Unsurprisingly, lots of whispers of moving to a new platform that can't be censored so easily.

Twitter's censorship of the President of the USA was an egregious offense--a real slap in the face. Twitter was a pillar of Trump's campaign, enabling him to bypass the bias of the mainstream media, and deliver a message from his desk to mine.

Twitter suspending of his account is a terrible insult to the office, a betrayal of trust, and an affront to Free Speech and the First Amendment itself.

With Twitter gone, we've moved into a kind of Totalitarianism, where we have an endless stream of Left-sided rhetoric, where the "other side of the story," the opposing view, has been gagged.

It is sickening.
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I agree. I am one of the 74 million. Censoring is not acceptable - ever.
 
Sig said:
Your (probably purposely) missing my point entirely, which is that people stop using or don't start using companies if they feel they are supporting something egregious. It's the whole concept of branding, something those of us who own businesses spend a lot of time on.

How many people does that represent? Like most things in business there's ambiguity in that but certainly Twitter has a better idea than we would. Given that companies spend millions to build and maintain their brand, something that damages it is pretty important. Prior to kicking Trump off the number of subscribers, and more importantly as I've kept saying the amount of revenue, they'll lose from that move is also unknown versus the damage from keeping him on. Big boy business world, you work with a bunch of unknowns, do your best to predict outcomes knowing your predictions are going to be inexact and often wrong.

This might turn out to be the wrong decision, but is an eminently reasonable decision based on purely a business view of the world, which is all I'm pointing out. If you refuse to even acknowledge that there's a legitimate business reason for them doing what they did, then you're not being rational and are clearly seeing the world through a hyper partisan lense where no matter what it's all about this massive persecution complex.
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Deciding to kill off up to roughly 50% of one's US subscriber base by exhibiting strong politically-inspired censorship is not a smart business decision unless you believe you can make up for that in some other way. Twitter is about to take a huge hit in daily active users. I don't know how much you know about internet businesses, but that's probably the most important metric for a social media company. Plus the hypocrisy is blatantly obvious. So Facebook decides to ban Ron Paul who never said anything even close to advocating violence, but yet they allow the Iranian leader who publicly advocated for the eradication of all Jews multiple times, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to keep his Facebook presence? This is ridiculous. Everyone not utterly blinded by partisan politics should be able to see this. Even Poland is set to make censoring social media accounts illegal and people on the left like Angela Merkel and Jimmy Dore have condemned the censorship. And as I mentioned previously, even the Android and iPhone news alerts are incredibly biased against Trump. Here's a notification that I received yesterday:

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How is that news? I get a news alert from Google pushing the propaganda arm of the DNC, CNN, reporting about, literally, a joke made by a late night TV host with a very small audience. Meanwhile, on the same day, Trump received Morocco's highest award for the Middle East peace deals, something far more newsworthy, and it gets completely ignored. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...d-for-middle-east-work-official-idUSKBN29K2GK

I never see any news alert for something positive Trump (or any Republican in general) did, only negative. But I get news alerts about jokes mocking Trump. And now I just got another "news" alert about AOC being scared of her GOP colleagues. Are people really too stupid to recognize the bias? But going back to your point, I agree with you. It is a business decision. Tech companies have decided to become not only the propaganda arm of the DNC (which they have been for a while), but after the Georgia win and consolidation of power behind the Democrats, they have now decided to engage in censorship in exchange for monopolistic protection. They believe that if they do the dirty work, they will be protected.

Sig said:
Wait, you don't believe substantive parts of the Mueller report? What parts would those be and on what basis?

Frankly I was surprised that the highest levels of the Trump campaign met with known Russian agents in order to get dirt on their opponent....and you should be too! Before Trump, that would have been unthinkable. I see you trying out this idea that "Russia has a small GDP and U.S. adversaries try to interfere with elections anyway, so it's no big deal that Trump embraced it". Sorry, that's just monumentally stupid.
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The Muller report found that Russians were using social media in an attempt to influence the outcome of the election as well as possibly hacked into computer systems associated with the Clinton campaign and released stolen documents. US has a history of interfering in other countries elections and it should be no surprise that other countries will try to interfere in our elections. This will happen in the future as well. Trump never met with the Russians and the report found no evidence of conspiracy between the Trump campaign and any foreign governments. If the foreign agents told the Clinton campaign that they had dirt on Trump, the Clinton campaign would take the call or more likely, simply refer the agents to their PR departments - CNN, MSNBC, or any other member of the mainstream media. You would have to be an idiot to think they would do otherwise. But I didn't bring up any of this because even if the Muller Report had uncovered widespread conspiracy, it would still be complete speculation that it changed the outcome of the election as Pelosi claimed. She made a completely speculative statement that undermines the trust in our electoral system, but she gets a pass, no warning labels on her tweets even after 3+ years. And in any case, as I pointed out above, nothing the Russian could do compares to the propaganda outlets of the DNC - media and big tech.

You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. First I asked you for the average age of the senators of both parties. You knew that would show that they're all a bunch of old fucks so you cherry picked not just the house but a subset of the house. So, still waiting for you to respond to the question I actually posed rather than the question you decided to answer instead.
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I'm not your secretary. Do you know how to use a search engine? Stop being lazy and look up your own data. What I posted was the first result that came up in Google. My original claim was not about senators, but people in the Dem party who hold the most influence. Pelosi, Schumer -- leaders of congress and most of the last Dem primary (the younger candidates quickly dropped out)...full of old people who have been in power decades.

I'd also be interested in seeing where I specifically said you criticized Obama for being young? It's highly likely you weren't old enough to vote when Obama was elected, heck there's a decent chance that you're still not old enough to vote. That doesn't mean you can't contribute to this conversation. But sadly unless you've studied it extensively (and it's clear you haven't), you really need to stay out of discussion about the zeitgeist at a time before you were really aware of politics. You really just can't get it.
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You claimed that many Republicans were complaining that Obama was too young and then tried to project / generalize that onto me. See if you can figure out how to use Google and look up the definition of projection. Maybe you can figure it out.
 
kmiklas said:
Nice work, TWTR Brass... way to alienate 74,000,000 American voters overnight!

Unsurprisingly, lots of whispers of moving to a new platform that can't be censored so easily.


With Twitter gone, we've moved into a kind of Totalitarianism, where we have an endless stream of Left-sided rhetoric, where the "other side of the story," the opposing view, has been gagged.

It is sickening.
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I recall reading something last year, that Trump was responsible for about 25% of Twitter traffic, if you considered all the followers he had, the comments created by others and the retweets he created.

It's not a good idea to shoot yourself in the foot, and potentially eliminate 25% of your webtraffic.
 
I can't wait until they tell me I have no rights left and they are going cut off my power, phone, Internet, ect because of my Political viewpoints. This will be such a wonderful place to live.
 
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