Tucker Carlson: Epic open yesterday.

[Tsing Tao]

The first job of a white supremacist is to say that white supremacy and white nationalism doesn't even exist. Job well done, Tucker:

https://www.google.com/search?q=tuc...ome..69i57.13543j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Ok, so you gave me a google search as your answer to my request that you provide a specific reference or comment that Tucker made which you consider to be something a White Supremacist would say. But that's fine, I'll try to see what I can find on those links. I'll do the top five returned in the search.

The first one:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-n...m-say-bosses-created-a-white-supremacist-cell

Daily beast article that provided nothing Tucker said. Did mention that one of Tucker's writers was guilty of posting racism comments online - something that Tucker called out the writer for and disavowed on his show.

The second one:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...son-white-supremacist-sympathizer/4405461002/

A short article of three paragraphs or so where AOC called Tucker a white supremacist because a guest on his show referred to images of AOC's garbage filled neighborhood as "gross" and full of "non-citizens".

"Tucker Carlson Tonight" on Tuesday played a video that showed garbage littering the New York freshman's district and Carlson asked his guest, conservative writer and editor Seth Barron, "How can we take seriously anything she says about the environment when this is her congressional district? She should be ashamed of this."
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I don't see any statement there that can be attributed to Tucker or called "White Supremacist". if you do, we can debate it. But since you didn't provide specifics, I don't know if you do see something there.

The third one:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-14-words_n_5f052202c5b67a80bc001565

Huffpo article that took this one graphic:

Which would have been questionable had I not spent the time listening to the actual clip on the show discussing what he actually said and the context (which isn't mentioned in the article, of course). In that clip, Tucker talks about how the two individuals in the photo speak horribly about the United States and what it stands for. Tucker's point here was essentially that "these are things Americans stand for and there is a war on these issues. We have to fight to preserve our nation and heritage." None of his comments were about race. None of them. Like, at all.

The fourth one:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/07/media/tucker-carlson-white-supremacy-reliable-sources/index.html

CNN opinion article from Brian Stelter (who is known for his balanced opinion on everything) stating that Tucker is a White Supremacist because Tucker said:

it's "just like the Russia hoax," he told his viewers on Tuesday night. "It's a conspiracy theory used to divide the country and keep a hold on power."​

and

And he downplayed the threat by saying it's "actually not a real problem in America. The combined membership of every white supremacist organization in this country would be able to fit inside a college football stadium."
​

Happy to debate if this is what you believe makes Tucker a White Supremacist. I certainly don't think these statements make him one, and I don't even believe they are inaccurate.

Last one (I can't do this all day):

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/business/media/tucker-carlson-white-supremacy.html

This is the NYT's take on CNN's above, stating the exact same thing for the same reasons. Also that Tucker is downplaying White Supremacy. Oddly enough, they are proving Tucker's point - that these issues are pushed in the media for the sole purpose of driving division between Americans.

So, I'm happy to discuss any one of these, or if there was something that wasn't covered in the articles you google pasted. If you are specific and tell me which one you have a problem with. I'm even open to you changing my mind if you present a thoughtful argument. You're certainly intelligent enough to do that if you choose to.

 

[easymon1]

Tucker Carlson reminds me of Jerry Nadler.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Ok, so you gave me a google search as your answer to my request that you provide a specific reference or comment that Tucker made which you consider to be something a White Supremacist would say. But that's fine, I'll try to see what I can find on those links. I'll do the top five returned in the search.

The first one:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-n...m-say-bosses-created-a-white-supremacist-cell

Daily beast article that provided nothing Tucker said. Did mention that one of Tucker's writers was guilty of posting racism comments online - something that Tucker called out the writer for and disavowed on his show.

The second one:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...son-white-supremacist-sympathizer/4405461002/

A short article of three paragraphs or so where AOC called Tucker a white supremacist because a guest on his show referred to images of AOC's garbage filled neighborhood as "gross" and full of "non-citizens".

"Tucker Carlson Tonight" on Tuesday played a video that showed garbage littering the New York freshman's district and Carlson asked his guest, conservative writer and editor Seth Barron, "How can we take seriously anything she says about the environment when this is her congressional district? She should be ashamed of this."
​

I don't see any statement there that can be attributed to Tucker or called "White Supremacist". if you do, we can debate it. But since you didn't provide specifics, I don't know if you do see something there.

The third one:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-14-words_n_5f052202c5b67a80bc001565

Huffpo article that took this one graphic:

Which would have been questionable had I not spent the time listening to the actual clip on the show discussing what he actually said and the context (which isn't mentioned in the article, of course). In that clip, Tucker talks about how the two individuals in the photo speak horribly about the United States and what it stands for. Tucker's point here was essentially that "these are things Americans stand for and there is a war on these issues. We have to fight to preserve our nation and heritage." None of his comments were about race. None of them. Like, at all.

The fourth one:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/07/media/tucker-carlson-white-supremacy-reliable-sources/index.html

CNN opinion article from Brian Stelter (who is known for his balanced opinion on everything) stating that Tucker is a White Supremacist because Tucker said:

it's "just like the Russia hoax," he told his viewers on Tuesday night. "It's a conspiracy theory used to divide the country and keep a hold on power."​

and

And he downplayed the threat by saying it's "actually not a real problem in America. The combined membership of every white supremacist organization in this country would be able to fit inside a college football stadium."
​

Happy to debate if this is what you believe makes Tucker a White Supremacist. I certainly don't think these statements make him one, and I don't even believe they are inaccurate.

Last one (I can't do this all day):

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/business/media/tucker-carlson-white-supremacy.html

This is the NYT's take on CNN's above, stating the exact same thing for the same reasons. Also that Tucker is downplaying White Supremacy. Oddly enough, they are proving Tucker's point - that these issues are pushed in the media for the sole purpose of driving division between Americans.

So, I'm happy to discuss any one of these, or if there was something that wasn't covered in the articles you google pasted. If you are specific and tell me which one you have a problem with. I'm even open to you changing my mind if you present a thoughtful argument. You're certainly intelligent enough to do that if you choose to.

He's not a flamer with a Tiki Torch. He's a plausible denialist whose dog whistle plays a familiar tune. If you can't (or won't) discern the pattern, then there is little to discuss.

 

[Tsing Tao]

He's not a flamer with a Tiki Torch. He's a plausible denialist whose dog whistle plays a familiar tune. If you can't (or won't) discern the pattern, then there is little to discuss.

Ok, I was hoping for a specific statement you believe makes the man a White Supremacist. But if you just believe he is or that he contributes to the cause of White Supremacy, I can't tell you that you have no right to feel that way. I see him for a refreshing view of honest conversation in a world that hates - no, loathes - that conversation. That's probably why he is so hated. And because he is wildly popular.

 

[Dr. Love]

Ok, so you gave me a google search as your answer to my request that you provide a specific reference or comment that Tucker made which you consider to be something a White Supremacist would say. But that's fine, I'll try to see what I can find on those links. I'll do the top five returned in the search.

The first one:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-n...m-say-bosses-created-a-white-supremacist-cell

Daily beast article that provided nothing Tucker said. Did mention that one of Tucker's writers was guilty of posting racism comments online - something that Tucker called out the writer for and disavowed on his show.

The second one:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...son-white-supremacist-sympathizer/4405461002/

A short article of three paragraphs or so where AOC called Tucker a white supremacist because a guest on his show referred to images of AOC's garbage filled neighborhood as "gross" and full of "non-citizens".

"Tucker Carlson Tonight" on Tuesday played a video that showed garbage littering the New York freshman's district and Carlson asked his guest, conservative writer and editor Seth Barron, "How can we take seriously anything she says about the environment when this is her congressional district? She should be ashamed of this."
​

I don't see any statement there that can be attributed to Tucker or called "White Supremacist". if you do, we can debate it. But since you didn't provide specifics, I don't know if you do see something there.

The third one:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-14-words_n_5f052202c5b67a80bc001565

Huffpo article that took this one graphic:

Which would have been questionable had I not spent the time listening to the actual clip on the show discussing what he actually said and the context (which isn't mentioned in the article, of course). In that clip, Tucker talks about how the two individuals in the photo speak horribly about the United States and what it stands for. Tucker's point here was essentially that "these are things Americans stand for and there is a war on these issues. We have to fight to preserve our nation and heritage." None of his comments were about race. None of them. Like, at all.

The fourth one:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/07/media/tucker-carlson-white-supremacy-reliable-sources/index.html

CNN opinion article from Brian Stelter (who is known for his balanced opinion on everything) stating that Tucker is a White Supremacist because Tucker said:

it's "just like the Russia hoax," he told his viewers on Tuesday night. "It's a conspiracy theory used to divide the country and keep a hold on power."​

and

And he downplayed the threat by saying it's "actually not a real problem in America. The combined membership of every white supremacist organization in this country would be able to fit inside a college football stadium."
​

Happy to debate if this is what you believe makes Tucker a White Supremacist. I certainly don't think these statements make him one, and I don't even believe they are inaccurate.

Last one (I can't do this all day):

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/business/media/tucker-carlson-white-supremacy.html

This is the NYT's take on CNN's above, stating the exact same thing for the same reasons. Also that Tucker is downplaying White Supremacy. Oddly enough, they are proving Tucker's point - that these issues are pushed in the media for the sole purpose of driving division between Americans.

So, I'm happy to discuss any one of these, or if there was something that wasn't covered in the articles you google pasted. If you are specific and tell me which one you have a problem with. I'm even open to you changing my mind if you present a thoughtful argument. You're certainly intelligent enough to do that if you choose to.

I will bet you money, that even with all the evidence presented, to which there is nothing to argue about, that Frederick will still say there is something below the surface we can't see.

For the left the only 'truth', is the truth that follows the narrative. Very CCPske imo.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I will bet you money, that even with all the evidence presented, to which there is nothing to argue about, that Frederick will still say there is something below the surface we can't see.

For the left the only 'truth', is the truth that follows the narrative. Very CCPske imo.

It sounds to me that he believes Tucker downplays the view of White Supremacy and that Tucker believes it to be mostly imaginary. I agree with this viewpoint, but Fred apparently believes that Tucker does an injustice to the cause because of his repeated views that run contrary to that thought. He's entitled to that viewpoint just as you and I are entitled to ours.

The good thing about the capitalistic society we live in is that - when enough people do not agree - they don't watch your show. This leads to lower ratings, poorer returns on the show and eventual cancellation.

Of course, what disrupts this is when those who don't watch try to bully those who do, or the advertisers that pay for it, etc. The so-called "cancel culture".

 

[Dr. Love]

It sounds to me that he believes Tucker downplays the view of White Supremacy and that Tucker believes it to be mostly imaginary. I agree with this viewpoint, but Fred apparently believes that Tucker does an injustice to the cause because of his repeated views that run contrary to that thought. He's entitled to that viewpoint just as you and I are entitled to ours.

The good thing about the capitalistic society we live in is that - when enough people do not agree - they don't watch your show. This leads to lower ratings, poorer returns on the show and eventual cancellation.

Of course, what disrupts this is when those who don't watch try to bully those who do, or the advertisers that pay for it, etc. The so-called "cancel culture".

Cancel culture is evil and a leftist baby. This has nothing to do with white supremacism.

What the NYT is doing to Carlson and his family is wrong, if not criminal. The left is doing anything possible to silence conservatives. If you think that's the way things should be, go ahead and don't vote for Trump. A vote for Biden is a vote for normalizing this type of behavior.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Cancel culture is evil and a leftist baby. This has nothing to do with white supremacism.

What the NYT is doing to Carlson and his family is wrong, if not criminal. The left is doing anything possible to silence conservatives. If you think that's the way things should be, go ahead and don't vote for Trump. A vote for Biden is a vote for normalizing this type of behavior.

First, I agree that Cancel Culture started in the left. The right is doing some of it lately which pisses me off, but its generally a left baby. I know it has nothing to do with White Supremacy, though the people trying to get folks canceled push that narrative a lot.

As for the NYT, I saw the NYT say they are not intending to publish anything personal on Carlson. Have they done so?

 

[Snarkhund]

First, I agree that Cancel Culture started in the left. The right is doing some of it lately which pisses me off, but its generally a left baby. I know it has nothing to do with White Supremacy, though the people trying to get folks canceled push that narrative a lot.

As for the NYT, I saw the NYT say they are not intending to publish anything personal on Carlson. Have they done so?

They ran him out of his home. Now they are making his new home unlivable.

We all know what the NYT needs. A rapid exothermic oxidative reaction known to man for thousands of years.

 

[UsualName]

Tucker Carlson is a trust fund frat boy. He is a sheltered, privileged windbag. He has zero clue what American life is like for 99.994% of Americans.

I say this with complete certainty, you and him have almost nothing in common and share almost no similar experiences. He wouldn’t get out of bed an hour early for your entire net worth. He is driven simply by his sense of entitlement and privilege.