Tucker beats CNN's entire PT combined

El OchoCinco said:
Who says liberals supposedly outnumbers conservatives? If that was true there would never be a GOP president ever.

Besides plenty of conservatives watch CNN and plenty of liberals watch FOX and plenty of independants watch both. I personally go back and forth between the two daily and I am sure plenty of others do as well. Did you know that for a long time many of Howard Stern's viewers were people who complained or could not stand him but they wanted to know what he would say next. There is no way for you to factually assess the number of X bias in this country and if you did it still has nothing to do with TV audiences. Viewers is just a number of people watching.

All these talking heads on CNN and FOX and MSNBC are idiots but I explained objectively why in a free market competition for viewers, it should be no surprise that FOX is getting more viewers because if you are conservative, independent, anti CNN, or just curious about the other side, FOX is where you are going to turn while going the other way, people will go to CNN, MSNBC, and several other choices for commentary.

If we assume all 3 are now complete shit with respect to news and unbiased reporting, CNN and MSNBC are playing in a pretty deep pool and eating each other up while FOX gets to stand apart and bring in a lot of viewers from all sides to one place. There are several other conservative mdeia outlets but FOX has way more recognition, notoriety, money and coverage than the others. They should have this lead in the ratings for a minimum of 2 more years and we will see what happens in the next election.
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Most of the voters in the U.S. are independents; not liberals (Democrats) or conservatives (Republicans). However most of the regular viewing audiences during prime time of cable news networks tend to be non-independents either in the Democratic camp (CNN/MSNBC) or Republican camp (FOX). Are there more registered Democrats or Republicans in the U.S.? There are at least 12 million more registered Democrats than Republicans in the U.S.

I tend to see more CNN than other news networks. Simply because it is on in airports, hotels, etc. I do not watch the prime time nonsense on any of these networks.
 
El OchoCinco said:
We are in a much more polarized political situation now then 5 years ago. 2008 election was somewhat exciting, 2012 election was Zzzzzzz.

2016 brought out the bigger political divide and that drove the networks to play into that. Fox and CNN only care about ratings so that is what drives them and we have the perfect political environment for that. It would be exactly the same if Hillary won as CNN would kiss her ass and FOX would be the opposition daily like CNN is trying to be now.

There is no such thing as the place everyone goes for news...
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You feel the polarization a lot more now because you lean left and now the left has lost their minds over the Hillary ordeal. Before you guys were happy and we were mad. Now you're mad and we're smiling (well, we're not angry).
 
Tsing Tao said:
You feel the polarization a lot more now because you lean left and now the left has lost their minds over the Hillary ordeal. Before you guys were happy and we were mad. Now you're mad and we're smiling (well, we're not angry).
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I don't lean left it is just easier for you to set up an argument you can defeat by labelling. Why are you defending against a fantasy attack I never made?

The polarization was not as bad as it is now. Social media and the cable news networks did not have the position they occupy in politics they do now 10 years ago. The 2008 election was not about social media and cable news the way it is now. There were no issues with Facebook and Twitter like there is now. FB and Twitter were still babies in 2008. Why can't you look at that objectively without you feeling you are being personally attacked.

2008 was not the same election in the media the way 2016 was.

Dom Lemon's show really started in 2014
Erin Burnett 2011
Jake Tapper 2013

Tucker Carlson started in 2016
Hannity started in 2009
INgraham in 2017

Am I making this up? O 'Reilly was the only one who was around way before this and he killed his own career.

The cable news network circus we know was not around 10 years ago neither was FB or Twitter used the same way. I am just citing facts, not making comments against conservative TV you need to defend for some weird reason.
 
El OchoCinco said:
I don't lean left it is just easier for you to set up an argument you can defeat by labelling. Why are you defending against a fantasy attack I never made?

The polarization was not as bad as it is now. Social media and the cable news networks did not have the position they occupy in politics they do now 10 years ago. The 2008 election was not about social media and cable news the way it is now. There were no issues with Facebook and Twitter like there is now. FB and Twitter were still babies in 2008. Why can't you look at that objectively without you feeling you are being personally attacked.

2008 was not the same election in the media the way 2016 was.

Dom Lemon's show really started in 2014
Erin Burnett 2011
Jake Tapper 2013

Tucker Carlson started in 2016
Hannity started in 2009
INgraham in 2017

Am I making this up? O 'Reilly was the only one who was around way before this and he killed his own career.

The cable news network circus we know was not around 10 years ago neither was FB or Twitter used the same way. I am just citing facts, not making comments against conservative TV you need to defend for some weird reason.
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First of all, you can say you don't lean left - but those of us here who lean right (and have no problem admitting we do so) would classify you as such. But regardless, this is irrelevant.

I'm not trying to defend against some fantasy attack, I don't even know what you mean by that. I would agree with you that it is more polarized now than before, but my point was that the left was in nirvana for the 8 years under Obama while the right loathed the President the entire time. Back then, people on the right were commenting regularly how divisive politics had become.

Now that Hillary lost, the left seems unable to reconcile the fact that the President is Trump and has been shrieking day after day about it, with all the ways Orange man is bad. This, of course, leads those on the right to dig in. The result is people pointing out issues with folks on "the other team" rather than focusing on issues that need to be fixed.

That's all.
 
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