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Sig said:
I don't think I'm allowed to re-disseminate them, but I can tell you they're well off Sep levels.
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No there not, Tesla is more likely to default now then ever before... Show proof of current prices, ill try hunting down prices for Jan. Ill report back if I find them
 
Porsche doubles the production of its first fully electric car, the Taycan, from 20,000 to 40,000 per year. The car manufacturer would have been encouraged by the large number of reservations. This makes the Taycan one of the most popular Porsche models in terms of numbers.

In Norway alone, Porsche has three thousand reservations for the Taycan, whereas it normally sells three hundred cars a year. Such figures were the motivation for the increase. According to the German Automobilwoche, the number of 40,000 units a year for a high-end automaker like Porsche is very large.

The car will have a range of more than 400 kilometers and an 800V charging system. This results in a loading speed of 350 kilowatts, which should be able to charge the car in a quarter of an hour for eighty percent, according to Electrek. In comparison, a Tesla takes about forty minutes with a Supercharger. The cheapest Model S, which is closest to the intended price of the Porsche, has a larger radius of action with approximately 540 kilometers.

In September the final design of the Taycan has to be unveiled and production has to start at the end of this year, writes Electrek. Porsche has taken on 1200 new employees for the production and has invested six billion euros. Porsche reported last year that it expects that from 2025 half of all delivered cars will drive partly or completely electrically.
 
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schweiz said:
Operational costs of electric cars will become much more expensive then they are.
In Europe price for charging a Tesla with a supercharger is rising 40% to exceptional 100%.
At the same time Tesla will not sell the cheap versions of the S and X models in Europe. So the cheapest one will be more then $20,000 more expensive.
In Europe total cost of electric driving is more expensive then the conventional cars.
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Charts, many of them, look like a bear range. And no dividends, no positive % gain , 4 weeks,+ YTD.
What if no body forgets '' $40 million SEC fine??" But its got good volume,OK, but who would consider that bullish when its in a bear range+ O/goose egg PE??I used IBD data.:cool::cool:
 
https://www.techspot.com/news/78366...rcharging-prices-point-gas-might-cheaper.html

Tesla increases Supercharging prices to the point that gas might be cheaper

According to Tesla's website, it is still cheaper to use electricity than gas, but there is a major caveat. The price of gas is assumed to be $2.85 per gallon while the estimated electrical cost is $0.31/kWh. Gas may be around that price in New York and California, but it is closer to $2 per gallon for a significant portion of the United States at present. The current national average is $2.24 according to AAA, with several regions seeing prices under $2 per gallon. At current gas prices, Supercharging a Tesla in certain areas is in fact more expensive than just refueling a car that also is cheaper to begin with.

For 100kWh battery packs, a full charge costs $32 to $36 based on the new rates. Refueling with 12 gallons of gas at Tesla's claimed $2.85 per gallon costs $34.20. At the current national average, 15 gallons of gas is slightly cheaper than charging a Model S or Model X.
 
Here4money said:
https://www.techspot.com/news/78366...rcharging-prices-point-gas-might-cheaper.html

Tesla increases Supercharging prices to the point that gas might be cheaper

According to Tesla's website, it is still cheaper to use electricity than gas, but there is a major caveat. The price of gas is assumed to be $2.85 per gallon while the estimated electrical cost is $0.31/kWh. Gas may be around that price in New York and California, but it is closer to $2 per gallon for a significant portion of the United States at present. The current national average is $2.24 according to AAA, with several regions seeing prices under $2 per gallon. At current gas prices, Supercharging a Tesla in certain areas is in fact more expensive than just refueling a car that also is cheaper to begin with.

For 100kWh battery packs, a full charge costs $32 to $36 based on the new rates. Refueling with 12 gallons of gas at Tesla's claimed $2.85 per gallon costs $34.20. At the current national average, 15 gallons of gas is slightly cheaper than charging a Model S or Model X.
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And in the places where gas costs $2/gallon electricity doesn't cost $.31/mwh. The "national average", if we're using that, is less than half that, $.1295. In fact, no-where in the U.S. but Hawaii has residential electric rates of $.31/kWH, not even close! (https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_5_6_a)

All of which completely misses the point that you no more buy a Tesla to "save money on gas" than you do a BMW, Mercedes, Volvo...or any other car that costs more than an equivalent Toyota of the same type and size. It's utterly asinine to insist that one must base their decision to buy a Tesla mainly or only on cost savings when we insist on that with almost nothing else in life, certainly not other car brands!
 
the superchargers are the killer app for travel and freeing the EV to roam more than a full charge would allow. they were never meant to cost you near nothing.

only time i use superchargers are for interstate travel (live in CT).

for instance; i recently took a trip to Boston came in @ 15% remaining (i could have charged anywhere off I90 ahead of downtown)..clicked for superchargers and was hit with 3 different choices just in downtown 1-2 miles in all directions away. btw, there are more charge points (supercharger and EV charge) than gas stations in downtown Boston lol.
 
Sig said:
And in the places where gas costs $2/gallon electricity doesn't cost $.31/mwh. The "national average", if we're using that, is less than half that, $.1295. In fact, no-where in the U.S. but Hawaii has residential electric rates of $.31/kWH, not even close! (https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_5_6_a)

All of which completely misses the point that you no more buy a Tesla to "save money on gas" than you do a BMW, Mercedes, Volvo...or any other car that costs more than an equivalent Toyota of the same type and size. It's utterly asinine to insist that one must base their decision to buy a Tesla mainly or only on cost savings when we insist on that with almost nothing else in life, certainly not other car brands!
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$.31 is not the electric residential rate. It's what Tesla is charging at their stations. Which you're right, is nearly triple the residential average.

Update (1/22): Tesla announced this morning that after listening to customer feedback, they will reduce Supercharger pricing by 10% worldwide. Previously we had reported that after a dramatic ~33% increase in price for Superchargers, Tesla owners going on roadtrips could be paying as much as or in excess of what you would for a petrol engine, depending on where you lived.

According to Electrek, with the reduction the average price of Superchargers went from the original $0.23 per kWh to $0.31 and now back down to $0.28 per kWh. That's average pricing in the US that will vary per station. As part of the change in pricing structure, Tesla is moving away from per state/region pricing, instead letting stations set prices based on local electricity rates and demand charges.
 

Electric cars will never become a big thing until you can travel on I-10 through the southern half of the US, from coast-to-coast, or I-90 from coast-to-coast in the nation's midsection, without it taking weeks to do so, while waiting for your car to charge.

And if yer on I-10, in west Texas, you AIN'T gonna find a "supercharging" station. There's nothing there but tumbleweeds, rocks, and a few petrol stations.
 
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