Trumps Iranian Sanctions, what is he trying to achieve?

bone said:
That makes no sense at all. The Cuban embargo was expanded by President Kennedy (D) (who authorized Castro assassination attempts BTW), were codified in the Cuban Democracy Act by a Democratic Congress in 1992, and expanded by President Clinton (D) in 1999.

It was President Jimmy Carter (D) who originally imposed sanctions on Iran.

With the notable exception of President Obama’s recent efforts the Cuban, North Korean, Libyan and Iranian embargoes were supported by BOTH political parties for decades.

Some accommodations were made for humanitarian exports through the years but with the notable recent exceptions of Presidents Obama and Trump these embargoes were historically not a partisan issue. And these embargoes don’t poll as a significant issue with voters quite frankly. Iran didn’t get Trump elected.
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Yes and Kennedy/Johnson started the Vietnam War but Nixon put the "pedal to the metal" expanding war into Laos and Cambodia, carpet bombing and use of Agent Orange. I was still a kid. Even after that as an adult I became a Republican. I was never a Democrat but in recent times I left, or rather IMO, the Republican party left me. Now I am an Independent for life.

As for Cuba, Cuban Americans voted with whatever party kept the Embargo in place. True Kennedy put it place. But since 1968 Republicans, including thru the Carter and Clinton's admins, kept it going. Anybody aaaaanybody knows that. Especially those of us who live in South Florida.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
Your "love for logic" also keeps you from believing that there is/was an inside job in the FBI-DOJ and elsewhere in the swamp to undermine a political presidential candidate and president-elect.

There is a thin line between your "love for logic" and just a basic lefty trance state.
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I have to admit that prosecution of his associates, and eventually himself, is likely to "undermine" President Trump, just as you suggest. Of course, from your point of view the, FBI, the citizen grand juries, and the judges are all colluding with the swamp.
 
piezoe said:
I have to admit that prosecution of his associates, and eventually himself, is likely to "undermine" President Trump, just as you suggest. Of course, from your point of view the, FBI, the citizen grand juries, and the judges are all colluding with the swamp.
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A point of view supported by direct testimony of fbi employees and their texts.

Even Baker, Chief Legal Counsel for the FBI, before he was moved out, said that he took Rosensteins suggestion/offer to wear a wire as absolutely serious.

Oh, that's right, your superior intellect up there on Mount Olympus does not require you to look at the facts.

back on ignore. just saw your name pop up but thought you had died and wanted to check on you. be well.
 
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TreeFrogTrader said:
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Even Baker, Chief Legal Counsel for the FBI, before he was moved out, said that he took Rosensteins suggestion/offer to wear a wire as absolutely serious.
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And this is why he was moved - he didn't get the joke. Like many others that don't get the joke that is the current Prez.
 
SunTrader said:
And this is why he was moved - he didn't get the joke. Like many others that don't get the joke that is the current Prez.
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Sorry, but he was removed from his position as general counsel in December of 2017.

The Rosenstein "wear a wire" episode was just six weeks ago or so.

Big hug for you though.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
Sorry, but he was removed from his position as general counsel in December of 2017.

The Rosenstein "wear a wire" episode was just six weeks ago or so.

Big hug for you though.
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Your words .. "Even Baker, Chief Legal Counsel for the FBI, before he was moved out, said that he ..."

Big hug back at you.

Me I could care less either way.
 
SunTrader said:
Your words .. "Even Baker, Chief Legal Counsel for the FBI, before he was moved out, said that he ..."

Big hug back at you.

Me I could care less either way.
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"Even Baker, Chief Legal Counsel for the FBI, before he was moved out"

The structure of that sentence stated that he was Chief Counsel "before he was moved out" ie. to another position- which is true as stated. And it is also true that he moved out of that position before the rosenswamp/wire episode so he was not moved out as a result of that.

I hope that you will be okay now with that unnecessary clarification, knowing that you are hanging on my every word.
 
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SunTrader said:
But since 1968 Republicans, including thru the Carter and Clinton's admins, kept it going. Anybody aaaaanybody knows that. Especially those of us who live in South Florida.
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That makes no sense at all. Once again.

Democrats in both houses of Congress were very much for sanctions against the Castro regime. For decades. In fact, google Democratic Congressman Robert Torricelli and the Cuban Democracy Act of 1992. He codified as US law the strangulation of Cuba until such time as it became a democracy and promoted the human rights of its citizens.

In 1999 President Bill Clinton expanded the trade embargo by also disallowing foreign subsidiaries of U.S. companies to trade with Cuba.

For you to say it was the Republicans that kept the embargo against Cuba going since 1968 is embarrassingly false. Both political parties despised and actively worked to undermine the Castro regime - for decades.
 
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