Trump’s intriguing idea: Cut debt by selling off federal assets

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...al-assets-2017-03-28?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo


Trump’s intriguing idea: Cut debt by selling off federal assets

The federal debt’s $20 trillion, and the fastest growing part of it — entitlements (which make up 60% of all federal spending) — are surging as baby boomers retire in droves. Interest on all this red ink is piling up and rising interest rates are only going to make things worse. So Uncle Sam’s broke, right? That’s the common view.

Not so fast. If you’re only looking at the liabilities side of a company’s balance sheet, you only get half the story. At the end of its last fiscal year, Apple AAPL, +2.13% had $75 billion in long-term debt. Think Apple’s broke? Of course not: the other side of its balance sheet shows that the company is sitting on tons of assets.

Yet this is how we evaluate the federal government. We look at its liabilities while ignoring its assets. Think the feds are broke? Not so fast, says a 2013 report from the Institute for Energy Research, which points out that the government owns “above ground” assets such as “buildings, lands, roads, railroad infrastructure, levees, dams, and hydroelectric generating facilities, to name just a few, many of which are underutilized,” and “below ground” assets such as “rights to mineral and energy leases, from which they receive royalties, rents, and bonus payments.”

Let’s focus on a giant part of this: Mineral rights for oil and gas reserves. The IER report said they’re worth $128 trillion. But that was January 2013. Even though oil prices CLK7, +1.53% have dropped 50% and gas prices NGK17, +1.66% have fallen some 15% since, that’s still, as Donald Trump might say, a yuge amount of money.

Which brings us to one of the president’s more intriguing ideas: why not sell off some of those rights and pay down part of the debt?


Candidate Trump sold this in his usual simplistic terms: I’m a real estate guy, I know how to make the deals. We pay down the debt while putting Americans back to work in the oil and gas industry. We become energy independent and screw the Middle East. What’s not to like?

But there’s more to this than meets the eye. The government can’t just sell the land that sits atop oil and gas reserves—because it often doesn’t own it. Remember, mineral rights for oil and gas are “below ground” assets. Surface land that sits above is often owned by a private party. Regulations allow for companies to drill regardless of who actually owns the dirt and grass on top. So when Trump says “sell the land,” what he really means is “sell the mineral rights below.” This would be a change from what the Interior Department, which oversees such things, now does. Since 1982, it has leased drilling rights for hundreds of millions of acres—an area bigger than Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona combined. Leases generally run for a decade.

Then there is this question: what would it take for the majors—Exxon Mobil XOM, +0.69% , Chevron CVX, +0.99% , Royal Dutch Shell RDS.A, +0.98% , BP BP, +0.46% and so forth—to buy? The plunge in commodity prices noted above has squeezed industry profits, and companies have generally been shedding assets of late. Exxon Mobil did make a shale oil bet valued at up to $6.6 billion in January in the Permian Basin region of Texas and New Mexico. It was the first big deal under new CEO Darren Woods, who succeeded now-Secretary on State Rex Tillerson. But that was the biggest bet XOM has made in eight years, since it dropped $41 billion on XTO Energy, a Houston-based natural gas company. Compare that with the $210 billion it spent on share buybacks between 2006 and 2016. That strategy has since yielded to an even more conservative one: hoarding cash--not spending it.

It’s important to remember that in absolute terms, oil companies make tons of money. But it’s also a capital intensive business, meaning that profit margins are much narrower than people think. For example, Apple’s net profit margin over the last nine years, according to S&P Capital IQ, was 21.5%—but Exxon Mobil’s was 8.29%. Translation: energy companies often spend more to make less. They always want access and drilling rights, but given the margins involved, and the volatile nature of the market, there always has to be a margin of safety. Interior has yet to place a value on what it might sell, or develop a process to do so. So we’re a long way off from any of this coming to fruition, if indeed it does at all. So if Trump—who is to be applauded for at least thinking out of the box on issues like this—thinks he’ll be able to slash the debt this way, he may want to think again.
 
Only problem with this is if you sell the assets off before solving the whole "spend more than you earn" problem, you eventually end up back in insolvency, but this time without any assets.
 
Only problem with this is if you sell the assets off before solving the whole "spend more than you earn" problem, you eventually end up back in insolvency, but this time without any assets.


Thats my opinion as well.If we have 150 trillion in assets I think it would be a good idea to sell 20 trillion of assets to pay off the debt and keep the hundreds of billions a year we spend on interest but SS and Medicare has to be shored up first and probably a balanced budget law as well.
 
Thats my opinion as well.If we have 150 trillion in assets I think it would be a good idea to sell 20 trillion of assets to pay off the debt and keep the hundreds of billions a year we spend on interest but SS and Medicare has to be shored up first and probably a balanced budget law as well.
Shored up? What does that mean?
 
Trump may also refuse to honour debt that the federal reserve bought. As it was just a ledger entry. Stolen from the American tax payer to the fed reserve. That's another 3 trillion off the block.

I think we'll see unconventional but effective debt reduction tactics from trump
 
the other issue... is that balancing the budget does nothing to stop inflation because inflation has been mostly caused by the fed creating trillions of electronic dollars.

govt borrowing the money does not cause systemic inflation...except for the short period of time it was monetized. Our 700 percent inflation the last 50 years in spite of the strong demand fo the dollar which should have made it more valuable... must mostly be caused by the "expansion" of the money supply and outright money creation by the FED and the banking system.

So, I am completely against the govt selling off assets. We don't even know if it will be useful til we actually know how much money the FED creates.
 
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I agree with Jem. Going Greece doesn't indicate solvency. Selling our first born doesn't mean our balance sheet is strong.

Sure we could unload Alaska to the Chinese at five trillion but at what cost ?

The answer is to stick the federal reserve bank on its debt. And examine who else we can stick. This is all done after the jobs are back.
 
a step in audit direction...
well see if it passes... given the establishment is still in charge this is unlikely to turn into anything substantial but we can hope.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...to-audit-the-fed-its-a-creature-of-the-swamp/

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee passed a bill on Tuesday to fully audit the Federal Reserve.
The House passed previous versions of the legislation in 2012 and 2014, with dozens of Democrats joining Republicans in support. Previous bills to audit the Federal Reserve died in the Senate.

While on the campaign trail, Donald Trump expressed interest in passing legislation to audit the Federal Reserve.

more at the link...


the other issue... is that balancing the budget does nothing to stop inflation because inflation has been mostly caused by the fed creating trillions of electronic dollars.

govt borrowing the money does not cause systemic inflation...except for the short period of time it was monetized. Our 700 percent inflation the last 50 years in spite of the strong demand fo the dollar which should have made it more valuable... must mostly be caused by the "expansion" of the money supply and outright money creation by the FED and the banking system.

So, I am completely against the govt selling off assets. We don't even know if it will be useful til we actually know how much money the FED creates.
 
The market has just become a jenga tower, we take a block from the bottom and we put it on top, and somehow everyone thinks there is more blocks because the tower keeps growing and growing, when really all we have is a higher tower on wobblier legs.

Been waiting for a couple years for the catalyst that would finally tip the jenga tower over so we could go back to 2008 markets again, this could be it, its going to look real ugly when/if we get a chance to see exactly what the fed is doing. Not that i think we are going back to a 2008 like crisis again any time soon.

Until then just keep on shorting pops on naturally deteriorating 3x leveraged instruments like TVIX/UVXY and NUGT. Easiest money on the planet. :D

a step in audit direction...
well see if it passes... given the establishment is still in charge this is unlikely to turn into anything substantial but we can hope.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...to-audit-the-fed-its-a-creature-of-the-swamp/

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee passed a bill on Tuesday to fully audit the Federal Reserve.
The House passed previous versions of the legislation in 2012 and 2014, with dozens of Democrats joining Republicans in support. Previous bills to audit the Federal Reserve died in the Senate.

While on the campaign trail, Donald Trump expressed interest in passing legislation to audit the Federal Reserve.

more at the link...
 
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