Trump’s approval rating hits new low

Tony Stark · Apr 17, 2017

jem said:
https://ivn.us/2016/11/09/independent-voters-flipped-entire-presidential-election-trump/

52 36 independent in mi
51 38 in wis.
48- 41 in penn

that is a massive margin percent victory of independents.

And yet with all that so called independent support he only won by 78,000.If thats massive and the best he could do with millions of democrats staying home 2020 doesn't look good.Democrats will be out to vote like 2008 and Trump is likely to lose some independents.

jem · Apr 17, 2017

here you see how the polls unskewed just in front of the election.
they went from very crooked to crooked...
the cooked polls presented a false pictured that hillary was going to win big the whole election and then they tried to unskew just days before.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

RCP NATIONAL AVG.
11/6 Virginia Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/4 Georgia Leans Trump »»» Toss Up
11/4 Indiana Leans Trump »»» Likely Trump
11/4 Maine Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/4 Maine CD1 Likely Clinton »»» Leans Clinton +1.6

11/4 Michigan Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/4 New Mexico Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/4 Virginia Toss Up »»» Leans Clinton
11/3 Louisiana Likely Trump »»» Safe Trump
11/3 Mississippi Likely Trump »»» Safe Trump
11/3 Texas Leans Trump »»» Likely Trump
11/3 Utah Leans Trump »»» Likely Trump
11/2 Georgia Toss Up »»» Leans Trump
11/2 Missouri Leans Trump »»» Likely Trump
11/2 Pennsylvania Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/2 Virginia Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/1 New Hampshire Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
10/30 Colorado Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
10/30 Texas Toss Up »»» Leans Trump

jem · Apr 17, 2017

so? he won the independents by a massive margin as I said. which shows how crooked your marist poll is right now.

will you not learn that skewing a poll makes it a crock of shit fake poll.

Tony Stark said:
And yet with all that so called independent support he only won by 78,000.If thats massive and the best he could do with millions of democrats staying home 2020 doesn't look good.Democrats will be out to vote like 2008 and Trump is likely to lose some independents.

Tony Stark · Apr 17, 2017

jem said:
here you see how the polls unskewed just in front of the election.
they went from very crooked to crooked...
the cooked polls presented a false pictured that hillary was going to win big the whole election and then they tried to unskew just days before.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

RCP NATIONAL AVG.
11/6 Virginia Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/4 Georgia Leans Trump »»» Toss Up
11/4 Indiana Leans Trump »»» Likely Trump
11/4 Maine Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/4 Maine CD1 Likely Clinton »»» Leans Clinton +1.6

11/4 Michigan Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/4 New Mexico Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/4 Virginia Toss Up »»» Leans Clinton
11/3 Louisiana Likely Trump »»» Safe Trump
11/3 Mississippi Likely Trump »»» Safe Trump
11/3 Texas Leans Trump »»» Likely Trump
11/3 Utah Leans Trump »»» Likely Trump
11/2 Georgia Toss Up »»» Leans Trump
11/2 Missouri Leans Trump »»» Likely Trump
11/2 Pennsylvania Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/2 Virginia Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
11/1 New Hampshire Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
10/30 Colorado Leans Clinton »»» Toss Up
10/30 Texas Toss Up »»» Leans Trump

Thats from state polls.I'm the first to say they aren't as good as national polls

Tony Stark · Apr 17, 2017

jem said:
so? he won the independents by a massive margin as I said. .

Well I hope thats true.If he can have massive independent support but only win by 78,000 votes with millions of democrats staying home I like it.

fhl · Apr 17, 2017

Tony Stark said:
Well I hope thats true.If he can have massive independent support but only win by 78,000 votes with millions of democrats staying home I like it.

jem · Apr 17, 2017

Look at these crooked polls before the unskewing.
from real clear poltics...

these were crooked polls...
I remember unskewing those crooked abc polls and saying the race was actually close

AP had hillary plus 13
ABC plus 12
CBS plus 11
Monmouth plus 12
yet gravis had it tied.
USC had trump plus 1.

So... how can you say these national polls were not crooked when they were using democrat rich samples to skew their results.

CNBC 10/21 - 10/24 LV -- 47 37 Clinton +10
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/19 - 10/25 3145 LV 4.5 44 45 Trump +1
USA Today/Suffolk 10/20 - 10/24 1000 LV 3.0 49 39 Clinton +10
Associated Press-GfK 10/20 - 10/24 1212 LV -- 54 41 Clinton +13
Reuters/Ipsos 10/20 - 10/24 1170 LV 3.3 43 37 Clinton +6
ABC News Tracking 10/20 - 10/23 611 LV 4.5 53 41 Clinton +12
Gravis 10/20 - 10/23 2109 RV 2.1 50 50 Tie
CNN/ORC 10/20 - 10/23 779 LV 3.5 51 45 Clinton +6
NBC News/SM 10/17 - 10/23 32255 LV 1.0 50 44 Clinton +6
Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/18 1007 LV 3.1 50 44 Clinton +6
Economist/YouGov 10/15 - 10/18 925 RV 3.9 47 43 Clinton +4
FOX News 10/15 - 10/17 912 LV 3.0 49 42 Clinton +7
Bloomberg 10/14 - 10/17 1006 LV 3.1 50 41 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/13 - 10/17 1190 LV 3.3 43 39 Clinton +4
Monmouth 10/14 - 10/16 726 LV 3.6 53 41 Clinton +12
CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 1189 LV 3.0 51 40 Clinton +11
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 24804 LV 1.0 51 43 Clinton +8
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 740 LV 4.0 50 46 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 905 LV 3.3 51 41 Clinton +10
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/9 - 10/15 2946 LV 4.5 44 45 Trump +1
FOX News 10/10 - 10/12 917 LV 3.0 49 41 Clinton +8
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/8 - 10/10 806 LV 3.5 50 40 Clinton +10
Reuters/Ipsos 10/6 - 10/10 2363 LV 2.2 44 37 Clinton +7
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/8 - 10/9 447 LV 4.6 52 38 Clinton +14
Economist/YouGov 10/7 - 10/8 971 RV 4.2 48 43 Clinton +5
The Atlantic 10/5 - 10/9 886 LV 3.9 49 38 Clinton +11

Tony Stark · Apr 17, 2017

jem said:
Look at these crooked polls before the unskewing.
from real clear poltics...

these were crooked polls...
I remember unskewing those crooked abc polls and saying the race was actually close

AP had hillary plus 13
ABC plus 12
CBS plus 11
Monmouth plus 12
yet gravis had it tied.
USC had trump plus 1.

So... how can you say these national polls were not crooked when they were using democrat rich samples to skew their results.

CNBC 10/21 - 10/24 LV -- 47 37 Clinton +10
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/19 - 10/25 3145 LV 4.5 44 45 Trump +1
USA Today/Suffolk 10/20 - 10/24 1000 LV 3.0 49 39 Clinton +10
Associated Press-GfK 10/20 - 10/24 1212 LV -- 54 41 Clinton +13
Reuters/Ipsos 10/20 - 10/24 1170 LV 3.3 43 37 Clinton +6
ABC News Tracking 10/20 - 10/23 611 LV 4.5 53 41 Clinton +12
Gravis 10/20 - 10/23 2109 RV 2.1 50 50 Tie
CNN/ORC 10/20 - 10/23 779 LV 3.5 51 45 Clinton +6
NBC News/SM 10/17 - 10/23 32255 LV 1.0 50 44 Clinton +6
Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/18 1007 LV 3.1 50 44 Clinton +6
Economist/YouGov 10/15 - 10/18 925 RV 3.9 47 43 Clinton +4
FOX News 10/15 - 10/17 912 LV 3.0 49 42 Clinton +7
Bloomberg 10/14 - 10/17 1006 LV 3.1 50 41 Clinton +9
Reuters/Ipsos 10/13 - 10/17 1190 LV 3.3 43 39 Clinton +4
Monmouth 10/14 - 10/16 726 LV 3.6 53 41 Clinton +12
CBS News 10/12 - 10/16 1189 LV 3.0 51 40 Clinton +11
NBC News/SM 10/10 - 10/16 24804 LV 1.0 51 43 Clinton +8
ABC News/Wash Post 10/10 - 10/13 740 LV 4.0 50 46 Clinton +4
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/10 - 10/13 905 LV 3.3 51 41 Clinton +10
LA Times/USC Tracking 10/9 - 10/15 2946 LV 4.5 44 45 Trump +1
FOX News 10/10 - 10/12 917 LV 3.0 49 41 Clinton +8
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/8 - 10/10 806 LV 3.5 50 40 Clinton +10
Reuters/Ipsos 10/6 - 10/10 2363 LV 2.2 44 37 Clinton +7
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/8 - 10/9 447 LV 4.6 52 38 Clinton +14
Economist/YouGov 10/7 - 10/8 971 RV 4.2 48 43 Clinton +5
The Atlantic 10/5 - 10/9 886 LV 3.9 49 38 Clinton +11

So 23 out of 25 national polls showed more people would vote for Hillary,and 3 million more people voted for Hillary.Good job polls

Tony Stark · Apr 17, 2017

fhl said:

Watching Trump crash and burn his way to one of the worst and most hated presidents in history and the damage he is doing to the republican party along the way helps me get over it.

peilthetraveler · Apr 17, 2017

Tony Stark said:
They conveniently left out that they had Trump ahead in the polls more than any other pollster leading up to the election,even though Hillary won by millions of votes.Rasmussen pulled that same shit in 2012.Most of thier polls in 2012 had Romney

Perhaps they weighted their polls based on the electoral college. Either way, Trump won and you got conned into complacency by the fake polls that made you think Hillary would win.

Meanwhile the rest of us who actually read the polls and saw how they were over sampling democrats by as much as 30% knew something was up. Be honest...if you saw a poll that had trump up and then noticed they polled 50% republicans, you wouldn't smell bullshit? Of course you would, but you wanted to pretend that your own bullshit didn't stink and that's just another reason why your girl lost.