Trumps approval rating among blacks at 29% Was at 8% when elected.

[Tsing Tao]

Immigration does not destroy our country, it makes it stronger.

Oh yeah, it's doing wonders for Sweden. Or Germany, or France, or Italy, or Spain, or Greece, or Turkey, or Belgium, or ...

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Again, you have not addressed the birth rate issue or the social programs issue.

I did address it. Allowing in massive numbers of low-skilled and often criminal people who don't even speak our language does not make us stronger. They consume welfare at a much higher rate and bring huge additional costs, eg schools, hospitals, prisons. The idea they somehow are a net financial positive is based on flawed assumptions, pushed by cheap labor advocates like the Koch brothers.

The idea these immigrants will bail out our old age programs is fanciful. First, you have to assume they actually are a financial plus rather than a drain, which is highly doubtful. Then you have to assume that when they and other "oppressed" minorities achieve majority status, as dems and the media keep gloating will happen, that their priority will be to pay for the comfortable retirements of their white oppressors. That seems very unlikely to me as well. In that scenario we would be more like the embattled whites of South Africa, having our property taken and fearful of being murdered with the government's approval.

 

[UsualName]

I did address it. Allowing in massive numbers of low-skilled and often criminal people who don't even speak our language does not make us stronger. They consume welfare at a much higher rate and bring huge additional costs, eg schools, hospitals, prisons. The idea they somehow are a net financial positive is based on flawed assumptions, pushed by cheap labor advocates like the Koch brothers.

The idea these immigrants will bail out our old age programs is fanciful. First, you have to assume they actually are a financial plus rather than a drain, which is highly doubtful. Then you have to assume that when they and other "oppressed" minorities achieve majority status, as dems and the media keep gloating will happen, that their priority will be to pay for the comfortable retirements of their white oppressors. That seems very unlikely to me as well. In that scenario we would be more like the embattled whites of South Africa, having our property taken and fearful of being murdered with the government's approval.

I’m reading what you wrote and trying to truly give it a fair shake but I have to tell you, it seems to me that you are full of unwarranted paranoia.

But, I do not wish to beat my head against the wall. I hear you and I disagree with your assessment and find it baseless.

Immigrants are met positives to America and America needs immigrants unless we either start having babies at a much higher rate or we simply accept an impending collapse. We can respectfully manage a decline but the end result will be pretty desperate.

I will also warn you MAGA types about a skill based immigration system. Those are jobs that will cut into already established American families. Our tradition has been take immigrants with all skills, including low skills, and let them work into the middle class through the generations.

Often times you right wingers talk about assimilation. Bringing foreigners with established careers will all but ensure they do not assimilate.

 

[TJustice]

Your friend the economist learned his economics from his grandmother Marx.

Labor is an input and can give one a comparative advantage over another country in some industries for a time but growth requires innovation, capital and a consistent rule of law and reinvestment of some profits into to new technology including labor saving technology.

Investors also need a good investment environment. The lower taxes the better. The more consistent the rule of law the better. And, countries in which the opposition party is leftist or likely to nationalize also lag behind.

It may be that democrats have opposed tightening up requirements for legal immigration. But it might not have to do with fighting to lower wages. Who has the greatest interest in keeping wages low?

I have a good friend. He is a well known economist. When he was in grade school his grandmother told him "America was built on cheap labor". His grandmother was right! One day a visitor came to his class. The visitor told the students about how the country was built on the principles of fair play, freedom of expression, and equality under the law. At the end of the visitor's presentation, the Teacher said to the class, "Now class, what were the guiding principles that America was built on?" My friend waved his hand vigorously and said 'I know. I know." The teacher called on him, "so Joseph, what principle was our country founded on?" Joseph offered his answer: "Cheap Labor."

I have to say, everything i have learned in my long life suggests that young Joseph was right!

 

[TJustice]

New jobs are created by demand and or investment. Demand and investment are impacted by taxes and innovation among other things.

Lowering taxes in the right manner will stimulate investment which can create jobs. However, the workforce also needs to have the skills for the jobs. If not the investment will go into tech.

If you are a ditch digging business you can hire workers, better shovels or digging machines or some from every category.

I like that you are trying to think and not just parroting, like many of your colleagues here. What do you suppose is the rate limiting step to creating jobs. Is it the level of taxes, or something else? In other words, if we lowered taxes would it have a significant affect on the number of jobs? Or said another way are there not enough good jobs because taxes are too high.

 

[piezoe]

Your friend the economist learned his economics from his grandmother Marx.

Actually my economist friend's grandmother was a communist.

 

[TJustice]

Exactly right because that is the position espoused by communists and socialists as they nationalize private industry.

You catch on fairly quickly. Well done.

Actually my economist friend's grandmother was a communist.

 

[piezoe]

Exactly right because that is the position espoused by communists and socialists as they nationalize private industry.

You catch on fairly quickly. Well done.

The interesting thing her is that she was right. Don't you agree?

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Immigrants are met positives to America and America needs immigrants unless we either start having babies at a much higher rate or we simply accept an impending collapse.

By your reasoning Brazil and Pakistan should be economic powerhouses, and Japan faces a hopeless future.

 

[Good1]

Immigrants are met positives to America and America needs immigrants unless we either start having babies at a much higher rate or we simply accept an impending collapse.

Seems right......if nations were actually Ponzi schemes.