Trumpies kill black man out on a jog
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Never said this guy was a teenager.
Yet, I did state that in the state of Georgia... it's not illegal to enter a new home under construction with no occupants until the owner expresses nobody is allowed on his property. In those specific situations, there's usually a sign on the property about such.
By the way, the owner has specifically stated no law was broken in the specific situation on the day of the shooting nor was a law broken in a prior visit in which the owner did not file a burglary report when he was alerted (home security camera) to someone had briefly visited his home in that prior visit...in which he saw the person not take anything from his new home under construction nor cause any damage to the home.
- In addition, the owner specifically stated he did not notify the shooters who had also visited his property too.
I wouldn't be surprised if the issue about the shooters themselves having visited the new home under construction in the past to talk to the owner once and another occasion on their own without the owner present will become a key issue in the court case.
Everybody is curious about new homes under construction being built in their neighborhood.
- I can remember such when our new house was being built when I was a kid...neighborhood kids would enter the house and look around including the adult neighbors in front, right and left of our new house...never at night.
Simply, its not probable cause in the state of Georgia along with the fact that the owner specifically stated nothing was taken and the shooters saw someone jogging down the street with nothing from the home and no damages to the home.
Yet, if the new home under construction was set ablaze and the guy was then seen running away from the home...time for a citizen arrest or call the police while you're following the person. That's probable cause.
Last of all, I strongly doubt the shooters were aware that the guy had prior arrests nor for what.
If they were aware of the jogger prior arrests...its still not probable cause in the state of Georgia. Most likely would give the prosecutor a stronger case for a motive for the shooting.
Those guys are murderers. Also, they are complete idiots because they did not know nor was it any of their business why the guy was jogging in the neighborhood even after seeing him leave a new house under construction...
A new house under construction that the shooters had also visited in the recent past. Simply, there was no probable cause and I doubt they were aware of the jogger's past criminal history.
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He chose to use the threat of a gun and failed to control the situation resulting in a death. This was largely because he had no perceived authority.
Usually an actual felony must have actually occurred in fact, not just a suspicion. Otherwise everyone could arrest everyone all day, the guy being arrested could arrest the guy arresting him. There has to be a sanction for abuse of citizen's arrest when its not clear cut.
In any case my point is about competent use of force & proportionality, so on choosing a gun, using it competently or else.
I have arrested a lot of people as an anti-poaching ranger and I'd have taken a very dim view of any of my guys allowing a close tussle with a gun when they were seriously physically out matched.
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William "Roddie" Bryan Jr. A Georgia judge says he won't allow attorneys for the men charged with killing Ahmaud Arbery to use evidence of the slain Black man's troubled past when they stand trial for murder.
Superior Court Judge Timothy Walmsley said in a written order that the victim's character isn't relevant or admissible in a murder case.
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The same Superior Court Judge...stated that Ahmaud Arbery mental health medical records can not be used as trial evidence.
I consider the above interesting because that would imply his criminal past has nothing (no relevance) to do with court case and the other issue implies Arbery does have mental health records but that may be normal (mental evaluation) when caught on school ground with a gun when he was still a teenager as in Arbery's situation.
My hypothesis, the shooters probably became paranoid that Arbery's brief visit into the new home under construction...they thought Arbery was going to plan a future burglary.
Yet, if I was a member of the neighborhood watch...I would have just asked the guy some questions while he was jogging but I'm not going to cut him off with a vehicle and then show weapons. The latter will only scare someone to run away or fight back because they would view me as a threat to their life.
Thus, what they did or how they did it, easily escalated the situation into a shooting that resulted in someone losing their life.
P.S. Was this guy living in the neighborhood, growing up in a nearby neighborhood or had been visiting a friend living in the neighborhood ???
If not, how did he get there to go for a jog ?
wrbtrader
Superior Court Judge Timothy Walmsley said in a written order that the victim's character isn't relevant or admissible in a murder case.
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The same Superior Court Judge...stated that Ahmaud Arbery mental health medical records can not be used as trial evidence.
I consider the above interesting because that would imply his criminal past has nothing (no relevance) to do with court case and the other issue implies Arbery does have mental health records but that may be normal (mental evaluation) when caught on school ground with a gun when he was still a teenager as in Arbery's situation.
- Apparently, a registered nurse gave a diagnosis when questioned by someone even though she did not treat him nor was he treated for any mental illness.
- In reality, the shooters did not know anything about Arbery beyond watching him jogging down a street, entering a new home under construction, leaving the home without anything, and then continuing his jog.
My hypothesis, the shooters probably became paranoid that Arbery's brief visit into the new home under construction...they thought Arbery was going to plan a future burglary.
Yet, if I was a member of the neighborhood watch...I would have just asked the guy some questions while he was jogging but I'm not going to cut him off with a vehicle and then show weapons. The latter will only scare someone to run away or fight back because they would view me as a threat to their life.
Thus, what they did or how they did it, easily escalated the situation into a shooting that resulted in someone losing their life.
P.S. Was this guy living in the neighborhood, growing up in a nearby neighborhood or had been visiting a friend living in the neighborhood ???
If not, how did he get there to go for a jog ?
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The title of this post is absolutely ridiculous and no one takes it seriously.
I bet those 3 white guys all get aquitted, they did nothing wrong. Ahmaud Arbery was burglarizing a house and he certainly wasnt looking for water by rummaging through draws and a tool box. We also wasnt wearing normal jogging atire that even a part time novice would of wore being that he was so far from his house.
Ahmaud Arbery would still be alive if:
1) he didnt decide to rob a house.
2) he didnt try and take a gun from a man who was authorized to carry a gun and authorized to question the very suspicious Ahmaud Arbery.
Had Ahmaud just answered some simple questions he would probably be in prison for robbing a house but he would still be alive.
Also, the liberal media portrays this thug as being an innocent person. What they dont tell you is that Ahmaud Arbery was arrested for bringing a loaded hand gun to a school and thank god he was caught. I wonder who his intended victim was ? Either way, the very dangerous Ahmaud Arbery is off the streets forever. Lives were saved! Amhaud Arbery was a dangerous thug.
I bet those 3 white guys all get aquitted, they did nothing wrong. Ahmaud Arbery was burglarizing a house and he certainly wasnt looking for water by rummaging through draws and a tool box. We also wasnt wearing normal jogging atire that even a part time novice would of wore being that he was so far from his house.
Ahmaud Arbery would still be alive if:
1) he didnt decide to rob a house.
2) he didnt try and take a gun from a man who was authorized to carry a gun and authorized to question the very suspicious Ahmaud Arbery.
Had Ahmaud just answered some simple questions he would probably be in prison for robbing a house but he would still be alive.
Also, the liberal media portrays this thug as being an innocent person. What they dont tell you is that Ahmaud Arbery was arrested for bringing a loaded hand gun to a school and thank god he was caught. I wonder who his intended victim was ? Either way, the very dangerous Ahmaud Arbery is off the streets forever. Lives were saved! Amhaud Arbery was a dangerous thug.
take a deep breath NY_HOOD
I tend to agree with most of that. If a citizens arrest wasn't warranted by probable cause, charge them with assault with a deadly weapon for pointing the gun at him. Once he started grabbing the gun though it was self-defense.
https://apnews.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-98619c2b1eb0d6bf17d3eacdd1bf9ffc
Ex-prosecutor indicted for misconduct in Ahmaud Arbery death
SAVANNAH, Ga. (AP) — A former Georgia prosecutor was indicted Thursday on misconduct charges alleging she used her position to shield the men who chased and killed Ahmaud Arbery from being charged with crimes immediately after the shootings.
A grand jury in coastal Glynn County indicted former Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney Jackie Johnson on a felony count of violating her oath of office and hindering a law enforcement officer, a misdemeanor.
The indictment resulted from an investigation Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr requested last year into local prosecutors’ handling of Arbery’s slaying after a cellphone video of the shooting and a delay in charges sparked a national outcry.
“While an indictment was returned today, our file is not closed, and we will continue to investigate in order to pursue justice,” Carr, a Republican, said in a statement.
Arbery was killed Feb. 23, 2020, after a white father and son, Greg and Travis McMichael, armed themselves and pursued the 25-year-Black man in a pickup truck after spotting him running in their neighborhood outside the coastal city of Brunswick, about 70 miles (112 kilometers) south of Savannah.
A neighbor, William “Roddie” Bryan joined the chase and took cellphone video of Travis McMichael shooting Arbery at close range with a shotgun. The McMichales said they believed Arbery was a burglar and that he was shot after attacking Travis McMichael.
Police did not charge any of them immediately following the shooting, and the McMichaels and Bryan remained free for more than two months until the cellphone video of the shooting was leaked online and Gov. Brian Kemp asked the Georgia Bureau of Investigation to take over the case.
Both McMichaels and Bryan were charged with murder and other crimes in May 2020 and face trial this fall. Prosecutors say Arbery was merely jogging in their neighborhood and was unarmed when Travis McMichael shot him. They say there is no evidence Arbery had committed a crime.
Greg McMichael had worked as an investigator in Johnson’s office, having retired in 2019. Evidence introduced in pretrial hearings in the murder case shows he called Johnson’s cellphone and left her a voice message soon after the shooting occurred.
“Jackie, this is Greg,” he said, according to a recording of the call included in the public case file. “Could you call me as soon as you possibly can? My son and I have been involved in a shooting and I need some advice right away.”
A record of Greg McMichael’s cellphone calls that day does not show that Johnson called him back.
The indictment says Johnson showed “favor and affection” toward Greg McMichael in the investigation and interfered with police officers at the scene by “directing that Travis McMichael should not be placed under arrest.”
Johnson did not immediately return a phone message seeking comment Thursday afternoon. She has previously insisted she did nothing wrong, saying she immediately recused herself from the case because Greg McMichael was a former employee.
“I’m confident that when the truth finally comes out on that, people will understand our office did what it had to under the circumstances,” Johnson told The Associated Press in November after she lost reelection.
Lee Merritt, an attorney for Arbery’s mother, said in a statement Thursday that prosecutors “must be held accountable when they interfere with investigations in order to protect friends and law enforcement.”
Arbery’s mother, Wanda Cooper Jones, posted her reaction on Facebook: “Former DA Jackie Johnson....Indicted!!! JusticeForMyBaby!!!!”
In his call for an investigation into prosecutorial misconduct, Carr asked the GBI not only to investigate Johnson’s actions related to the killing but also those of Waycross Judicial Circuit District Attorney George Barnhill. No charges have been announced against Barnhill.
After the shooting, Johnson called Barnhill to handle questions from police about how to handle the shooting.
Carr ended up appointing Barnhill to take over on Feb. 27, four days after the shooting. In his letter ordering an investigation last May, Carr said he was never told that Barnhill had already advised police “that he did not see grounds for the arrest of any of the individuals involved in Mr. Arbery’s death.”
Barnhill later recused himself as well, after Arbery’s family learned his son worked for Johnson as an assistant prosecutor. But before he stepped aside, Barnhill wrote a letter to a Glynn County police captain saying the McMichaels “were following, in ‘hot pursuit,’ a burglary suspect, with solid first hand probable cause, in their neighborhood, and asking/ telling him to stop.”
“It appears their intent was to stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived. Under Georgia Law this is perfectly legal,” Barnhill advised in the letter, referencing Georgia’s Civil War-era citizen arrest statute.
That law was repealed in May 2021, with overwhelming support from Republicans and Democrats, as a reaction to Arbery’s death.
Johnson told the AP in May 2020 that Glynn County police contacted two of her assistant prosecutors on the day of the shooting. She said it was the officers who “represented it as burglary case with a self-defense issue.”
“Our office could not advise or assist them because of our obvious conflict,” Johnson said.
Johnson blamed the controversy over Arbery’s death for her election defeat last year after a decade as top prosecutor for the five-county circuit in southeast Georgia. She was defeated by independent candidate Keith Higgins, who had to collect thousands of signatures to get on the ballot.
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