Trump will get reelected if he maintains the government shutdown until he gets his wall. He should wait a long time then up the amount he wants to $25 Billion really, that is what I'd do to punish the asshole Democrats for making me shut it in the first place. If he caves then forgetaboutit, I'll go back to not voting... He is sort of a one-issue guy to me: stop Mexico and Central America from dumping their illiteracy and poverty problems on the U.S. He is audacious, I'll give him that; he actually wants to take control of the border away from Mexican cartels and put it in the hands of the Federal Government! The nerve of the guy!!
Trump will win in 2020
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Its always a bad idea to bet against America.
There is a possibility that the economy will drill through its current difficulty and continue to add jobs and production despite carrying a inappropriate Fed load. At nearly full employment and good GDP growth I think Trump would be very hard to beat.
Pulling us out of a few "wars" and getting our allies to pay more for their defense while moving trade in the direction of balance would also be rather large achievements. Erecting a southern barrier to illegal immigration would be a legacy. The idea that America is going to make a large move towards socialism is absurd.
There is a possibility that the economy will drill through its current difficulty and continue to add jobs and production despite carrying a inappropriate Fed load. At nearly full employment and good GDP growth I think Trump would be very hard to beat.
Pulling us out of a few "wars" and getting our allies to pay more for their defense while moving trade in the direction of balance would also be rather large achievements. Erecting a southern barrier to illegal immigration would be a legacy. The idea that America is going to make a large move towards socialism is absurd.
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Hope he does
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...icans-blame-trump-for-shutdown-than-democrats
Poll: More Americans blame Trump for shutdown than Democrats
More Americans blame President Trump than Democrats for the six-day partial government shutdown, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Thursday.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/19/poll-voters-would-blame-trump-gop-for-shutdown-1068673
POLITICO/Morning Consult Poll
Poll: Voters would blame Trump, GOP for shutdown
If parts of the federal government shut down later this week, most voters will blame President Donald Trump and Republicans over Democratic minorities in Congress, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll.
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-...t-responsible-govt-shutdown-35-cite-democrats
Nearly half (48%) of Americans said President Donald Trump is the most responsible.
“Who do you think is MOST to blame for the shutdown of the federal government?”
- Democrats in Congress: 35%
- Republicans in Congress: 4%
- Pres. Trump: 48%
- Not Sure: 13%
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-americans-support-border-wall_us_5c2e9aaae4b05c88b70798d1
Trump Says Country Wants Border Wall, But That’s Not What Polls Say
And opponents can’t call the White House switchboard to let the president know because it’s not working due to the government shutdown.
President
Donald Trump insisted again Thursday that there’s “so much support” his border wall. But polls contradict him.
“The people of our country want it,” Trump declared at a surprise appearance in the White House briefing room Thursday to plead for the wall (see the video above at 2:20).
“I have never had so much support as I have in the last week over my stance for border security ... or, frankly, the wall or the barrier. I have never had anything like it in terms of calls coming in, in terms of people writing in and tweeting. I’ve never had this much support,” he added.
Trump was apparently referring to personal calls he has received. Neither the White House switchboard nor the call-in phone line to leave recorded comments is functioning because of the government shutdown. “We apologize, but due to the lapse in federal funding, we are unable to take your call,” a recorded message on the switchboard states.
But no poll has found that a majority of Americans support the wall or funding for the wall, or see it as a priority.
A Quinnipiac poll of 1,147 voters reached on landlines or cell phones from Dec. 12-17 found that 54 percent of respondents opposed the wall and 43 percent supported it. A Harvard CAPS/Harris online survey of 1,407 registered voters conducted Dec. 24-26 found that 56 percent of those surveyed did not support a wall, while 44 percent did.
Just 35 percent of those surveyed supported including money for the wall in a federal spending bill, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll of 2,440 adults conducted online Dec. 21-25.
More than two-thirds of Americans don’t think the wall should be a priority, according to a poll of 1,075 adults by NPR, PBS News Hour and Marist. That poll was conducted Nov. 28-Dec. 4 using live telephone interviews to reach both landlines and cell phones.
Regardless of Americans’ opinions about the wall, they’re not happy with how the government shutdown is being handled by either Congress or Trump. Just 18 percent of Americans polled say they approve of how Congress has handled the shutdown, with 60 percent disapproving, a new HuffPost/YouGov survey finds. As for Trump, 38 percent approve of how he’s handling it, and 49 percent disapprove, according to the poll.
https://www.businessinsider.com/gov...tez-ideas-for-trump-border-wall-money-2018-12
Most Americans would rather spend the $5 billion Trump is demanding for the border wall on infrastructure, education, or healthcare
- President Donald Trump pushed the US government into a partial shutdown over his demands for border-wall funding.
- Representative-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez suggested some alternative uses for Trump's demands for $5.7 billion toward the wall.
- INSIDER polled people on alternative uses of the $5.7 billion in border wall funding, and most preferred other ideas, including infrastructure improvements, covering a half-million Americans' healthcare expenses, and expanded pre-K education.
- The only group that supported the wall was conservatives, while border money came in last for moderates and liberals.
has remained steadfast in his demands that $5 billion for a wall along the US-Mexico border be included in any package to funding and reopening the government.
"Have the Democrats finally realized that we desperately need Border Security and a Wall on the Southern Border," Trump tweeted Thursday. "Need to stop Drugs, Human Trafficking, Gang Members & Criminals from coming into our Country."
But according to an INSIDER poll, most Americans would prefer to put the $5 billion Trump is demanding toward other policy goals.
At the start of the government shutdown, Representative-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez lamented House Republicans inclusion of $5.7 billion in border-wall money in their doomed funding package.
"And just like that, GOP discovers $5.7 billion for a wall. $5.7 billion," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. "What if we instead added $5.7B in teacher pay? Or replacing water pipes? Or college tuition/prescription refill subsidies? Or green jobs? But notice how no one's asking the GOP how they're paying for it."
In response to Ocasio-Cortez's tweet, Washington Post writer Jeff Stein suggested a few alternatives for the $5.7 billion in funding, including funding pre-kindergarten education for every child in the US or covering the healthcare expenses for hundreds of thousands of Americans over the course of the year.
INSIDER polled these alternatives against funding for the wall and found that the wall was not a particularly popular option.
Conducted as a SurveyMonkey Audience poll with 1,025 respondents that ran December 21-22, INSIDER asked respondents, "What is the best use of $5.7 billion in federal funding?" and offered four options:
- "build a portion of a wall along the US-Mexico border"
- "fund pre-kindergarten programs for every child in the US for a year"
- "pay the healthcare expenses for roughly 530,000 Americans for a year"
- "fund infrastructure improvements"
The longer the shutdown lasts the more Americans blame Democrats in Congress...
The Public Blamed Trump For The Shutdown — But That May Be Changing
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...mp-for-the-shutdown-but-that-may-be-changing/
No one could blame you if you forgot about it over the holidays, but we’re currently on Day 14 of the partial government shutdown. Polls have been scarce, but shortly after the shutdown began, we got a first taste of how the public is reacting to it. Respondents to three early polls agreed that President Trump was more to blame for the lapse in appropriations than congressional Democrats (or Republicans) were:
- YouGov asked about the shutdown for the Economist on Dec. 23-25. Fifty-one percent of respondents said Trump deserves “a lot” of blame, 44 percent thought congressional Democrats did and 39 percent said congressional Republicans did. But when asked who was most to blame, 46 percent said Trump, 35 percent said congressional Democrats and 6 percent said congressional Republicans.
- Reuters/Ipsos found that 47 percent of Americans said the shutdown was on Trump, while 33 percent said congressional Democrats were at fault. The poll was in the field Dec. 21-25.
- Likewise, 43 percent of respondents to a Dec. 21-23 survey by Morning Consult blamed Trump for the shutdown. Thirty-one percent thought congressional Democrats were responsible, and just 7 percent pointed to congressional Republicans.
(more at above url)
One poll within the margin of error,thats called an outlier.Most polls blame Trump.
He sets 'em up, I knock 'em down.
Congressional Republicans got the worst score: 58 percent disapproved of the way they’ve handled the shutdown, and just 25 percent approved.
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Trump has already lost. This will be rather obvious in 2020, but it's been clear since the mid terms how strong the "anyone but Trump" vote is, particularly for women and minorities that are actually a solid majority of the voter base. Your list of Trump accomplishments is remarkably weak given the economy Trump was handed to take over. GDP will likely shrink because Trump messed it up with his trade wars; almost all your allies are doing everything they can to reduce their trade with the US. AAPL's warning and Ford's layoffs make that very clear, if the farmer subsidies didn't.
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Trump is nuttier then any of them, and probably more dangerous to your bottom line. Ask anyone who's invested in one of his projects how it worked out for them.
from the wsj article linked below.
"The House-passed pay raise used the same legislative language that was included in a Senate bill scored by the Congressional Budget Office. That analysis pegged the cost of the pay raise for federal workers at $3.329 billion in fiscal year 2019.
In other words, take the money the Pelosi House has now approved for barriers and other equipment to prevent illegal border crossings and add the money the Pelosi House wants to hand out in raises for bureaucrats and you have roughly $5 billion, which would just about cover the President’s wall request."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-pelosi-pay-raise-11546638990
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I wonder how much support there is these days outside the beltway for pay raises for bureaucrats versus, border security and not having to see Officer Singh's son grow up without a father. Yup. The dems need to be careful. Someone might propose a solution that is supported by people outside the beltway. Thus giving Trump two victories in one. Not sayin that will happen but they need to be careful.