You've been trying so very hard to ignore the fact that so many of us have been repeating to you....over 100 million Americans have at least one of those contributing conditions! That's 1/3 of the country. So again, what exactly is your point? It seems to be "don't worry, almost everyone who dies of COVID had a contributing condition". But if 100 million Americans have such a condition, then 100 million people indeed do need to worry about it and the vast majority of the rest of us who aren't sociopaths and love someone with one of those conditions are just as worried. You?
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Not sure what your point is, but the situation is non-analogous. With Covid, the co-morbidity factors were as likely (often more likely) the actual cause of death. However, the non-standard procedure (new for Covid, and only in some places) is to assign Covid as the cause in the event of any positive test. But people in late stages of dying frequently acquire opportunistic infections. So someone dying of cancer, post-chemo, will have a weakened immune system. They will likely become infected with Covid and test positive for it, but they are really dying of cancer. However, in many jurisdictions Covid is listed as cause of death solely based on positive testing. That's the problem. It's created a falsely high death rate.
Recording deaths in this way is NOT standard procedure and is not done most places. It is statistically and epidemiologically flawed.
Doesn't matter the comorbidity factors. Covid 19 killed them.
Maybe they would have died anyway the next day/week/month/year later without the virus.
If someone that is dying of cancer puts a gun to their head and pulls the trigger - what did they die of?
There's where you're being intellectually dishonest. We didn't have 200,000+ extra people die in the past 6 months who were dying of cancer and Covid finished them off a few days early. That's complete and utter bullshit, as evidenced by the excess mortality rate that closely tracks the COVID death rate. If only those close to death were being killed off a few days early, there would actually be a deficit in excess mortality by now because all the near death people would have been killed off early so there were less available to die now.
The vast majority of COVID deaths did have a risk factor, no one is disputing that so you're wasting your time arguing it. We're all in violent agreement. What you're steadfastly ignoring, because it's so damn inconvenient for you, is that 100 million Americans making up 1/3 of the population have these risk factors. Andy they mostly aren't the "terminal cancer" type as you're dishonestly implying. Most of them are chronic conditions like obesity that most people can expect to safely live decades with absent COVID. In which case, again it's rank dishonesty to claim that they weren't killed by COVID when any idiot can tell they died as a direct result of contracting COVID and would have been expected to live for years absent COVID!
If you can't explain the excess mortality rates, then whatever theory you're using is full of holes. And guess what, your theory gets blown out of the water when you bring in excess mortality rates. So again, cut the intellectually dishonest bullshit and either admit that you consider 1/3 of our population to be expendable and their deaths non-events we shouldn't care about or stop with the whole "they were all on deaths door anyway" crap.
if you're diabetic and die while symptomatic with COVID... you died of COVID.
You are fucking retarded. If you get COVID and die while symptomatic with COVID... then you died from COVID and NOT from retardation. There is the analogy.
Probably that excess death is around 250K for the year and you can not explain it away.
Why not just say nobody is dying of COVID. Why? They would have eventually died anyway - 40,80 years from now.
No. It's called opportunistic infection, a known medical reality for hundreds of years. When people are dying, frequently they develop multiple conditions like the latest cold. But the underlying is the cause. This is not made up. It's standard medical theory a number of epidemiologists have pointed out fallacies in the death accounting.
But yeah, trained professionals, retarded. Sure. Whatever you say.
If you have an underlying condition, catch covid and die, it's entirely appropriate to call that a covid death, not death due to the underlying condition, which would be inappropriate.