Trump Tax Returns Are Coming: SCOTUS Veteran Sees High Court Ruling Against Trump

Frederick Foresight

Frederick Foresight


From the video description on the YouTube page:

A controversy at the center of Trump’s presidency reached the Supreme Court Tuesday – will the justices force the release of Trump’s taxes to certain investigators. An attorney who has argued over 40 cases before the Court, Neal Katyal, says the new oral arguments lead him to believe the court will rule against Trump -- and require the release of some tax returns and financial records. MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent reports on the oral arguments, tracing the history of several related cases and contrasting Trump’s handling of his records to other candidates including Mitt Romney, and interviews Katyal and attorney Maya Wiley about the arguments on both sides.
 
Frederick Foresight said:
I really liked one of the viewer comments:

Trump is a genius, but you can't see his grades.
Trump is healthy, but you can't see his medical reports.
Trump is rich, but you can't see his tax returns.
Trump is innocent, but you can't subpoena the witnesses.
Trump has the Coronavirus under control, but you can't talk to Dr. Fauci.
Seems legit...!

:D
More...
Obama is a genius but you can’t see his grades
Obama loves America, but his pastor hates America and white people
Obama went to college, but nobody knows who paid for it
Yawn
 
Clubber Lang said:
Obama is a genius but you can’t see his grades
Obama loves America, but his pastor hates America and white people
Obama went to college, but nobody knows who paid for it
Yawn
More...

Some context about "Who paid for Obama going to college" He had student loans.

Obama took out $42,753 in loans to pay his tuition at Harvard Law School, the Chicago Sun-Times reported. First Lady Michelle Obama went $40,762 in debt to finance her Harvard Law education. It was not until after Obama signed a $1.9 million book deal in 2004 -- the year he was elected to the U.S. Senate -- that the couple paid off all of their student loans, according to the Sun-Times. The Obamas’ law school debt came on top of their existing undergraduate loans (he from Occidental College and Columbia University and she from Princeton University) and pushed their combined outstanding balance at graduation above $120,000, Obama has previously said.

Some insight into what type of grades, Obama had in undergrad and grad school
https://www.eduinreview.com/blog/2008/10/barack-obamas-gpa-and-college-records/

I will note that most Presidents appear to be "C" students in undergrad. As they say... the "A" students become scientists & engineers, the "B" students go into business, and the "C" students go into politics.
 
i predict a 5-4 from criminal SCOTUS to criminal POTUS
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/12/supreme-court-hears-arguments-in-trump-tax-records-cases.html
Supreme Court justices appear divided in arguments over Trump tax records
  • The Supreme Court appeared divided on Tuesday during arguments in a set of cases over whether President Donald Trump can keep his tax records shielded from state and congressional investigators.
  • The justices considered subpoenas issued by Democratic-led congressional committees and Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance Jr. to Trump’s banks and accounting firm for the president’s personal and business financial records.
  • Attorneys for the president faced skepticism from both liberals and conservatives over whether allowing Trump to keep his tax records shielded would unconstitutionally limit the power of Congress or put the president above the law.
  • Several of the court’s conservatives, though, expressed concern that a ruling against Trump could open up the presidency to a wave of burdensome investigations.
The Supreme Court appeared divided on Tuesday during arguments in a set of cases over whether President Donald Trump can shield his tax records from state and congressional investigators.

The justices considered subpoenas from Democratic-led congressional committees and Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance Jr. to Trump’s banks and accounting firm for the president’s personal and business financial records. Lower courts in Washington and New York have upheld the subpoenas.

Attorneys for the president faced skepticism from both liberals and conservatives over whether allowing Trump to keep his tax records shielded would unconstitutionally limit the power of Congress or put the president above the law.

The president’s personal lawyer, Jay Sekulow, who argued in the Vance case, said that Trump cannot be criminally charged by a state prosecutor while in office, much less subjected to a grand jury subpoena.

“The president isn’t above the law,” Justice Elena Kagan told him.

Several of the court’s conservatives, though, expressed concern that rulings against Trump could open up the presidency to a wave of burdensome investigations and requests for documents.

Decisions are expected over the summer, in the midst of the bruising election battle between Trump and apparent Democratic nominee Joe Biden. Trump is the first major party candidate not to release his tax returns in four decades.

The nine-member court has a 5-4 conservative majority. The court’s four Democratic appointees appeared skeptical of the president’s arguments. The votes of Chief Justice John Roberts, a George W. Bush appointee, and Trump’s two appointees, Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, could be key.

Arguments are being conducted over the phone and streamed live to the public as a result of health precautions taken to halt the spread of the coronavirus.

In the first argument of the day, over the congressional subpoenas, Roberts and Gorsuch joined the court’s four Democratic appointees in pressing Trump’s personal attorney Patrick Strawbridge and a Justice Department lawyer about their arguments for allowing Trump to keep the documents from investigators.

The cases involve subpoenas for Trump’s financial records issued by Democratic-led congressional committees to the president’s accounting firm, Mazars USA, and banks, Deutsche Bank and Capital One.

The committees have said they are pursuing investigations into potential money laundering, foreign interference in U.S. politics and whether Trump has properly disclosed his assets. Attorneys for Trump have asked the Supreme Court to reject the subpoenas on the basis that House Democrats lack a legitimate reason for investigating him.

“The committees have not even tried to show any critical legislative need for the documents these subpoenas seek,” Strawbridge told the justices in his opening statement.

But Gorsuch and Roberts pressed Strawbridge, as well as DOJ attorney Jeffrey Wall, on why the court should not defer to Congress on whether it has a valid reason for its subpoenas.

“Why should we not defer to the House’s views about its own legislative purposes?” Gorsuch pointedly asked Strawbridge at one point. “Why is this subpoena not supported by a substantial legislative need?”

Roberts skeptically asked Wall whether the court should “be probing the mental processes of the legislators.”

“Should members of House committees be subject to cross examination on why you were really seeking the documents?” Roberts asked.

Douglas Letter, an attorney for the House of Representatives, also faced skeptical questions from some of the justices over whether a loss for Trump could enable a flood of partisan investigations that could burden the presidency.

“How can we both protect the House’s interest in obtaining information it needs to legislate, but also protect the presidency?” Kavanaugh, Trump’s second appointee, asked at one point.

Letter emphasized that the subpoenas were not directed at the president, but instead to third parties.

“There’s no way that these can interfere with the president, because he doesn’t have to do anything” to respond to them, Letter said.

In its second argument of the day, the Supreme Court heard a case involving state prosecutors, rather than Congress.

Vance is investigating potential violations of state law related to hush-money payments made to two women who have alleged affairs with the president.

A federal appeals court in New York upheld the subpoenas, but Trump’s attorneys argued that he is immune from criminal investigation while in office.

“No county district attorney in the nation’s history has issued criminal process against the sitting president of the United States and for good reason,” Sekulow said. “The Constitution does not allow it.”

Roberts suggested in the case that the burden on state and local prosecutors seeking the president’s records should be higher than the one imposed on Congress.

“Shouldn’t there be a higher standard than in the separation of powers dispute?” Roberts asked.
 
If any tax records are outed and are problematic for Trump, the records that will be outed on Obama and his Ukraine, China and other deals will be fierce and ready to go. And for his crooked son, his crooked sister, and his crooked brother.

The earlier days of everyone assuming that Trump was involved in lots of shady business deals because he was a businessman but someone like Joe was above it all because he was just a simple government paycheck hack are longggggggggggggggg over. Trumps bragging about net worth and dubious business deals are baked into the process already and he was voted in with that assumption. Same with his shady dealings/interactions with women.

This is all new for Joe though. It started with the hunter and burisma thing. Mr. Nice Guy goes to Washington with the Nice Guy family ended out having his scumbag family and corrupt dealings exposed. And now Biden is taking it on the sexual assault charges. So you can go after Trump more, but Joe will be the one to pay the price. Joe is sitting on some big bucks since he left office and he sold out America to get much of it.

All the lefties in congress and in the media are hot to get Trump for firing the IG for the State Department, alleging that he was on Pompeo's arse or something. Heh, this is the guy who covered up and would not go near Biden's interference in the Ukraine and Hunter's involvment even though state department employees had complained to the inspector general. Go for it. You will probably get in some hits against Trump, but it will blow a couple of Biden's appendages off as collateral damage. Works for me. The bloodier the better.

Hope you like the sight of blood flowing because Joe is going to continue to get cut up badly and it has not even started yet.
 
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