Trump supporter calls Black high school kids "f*cking n*iggers"
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you're basically advocating for "shut up and dribble" and "you can protest, but no, not like that".
No,its because republicans are stopping it and defend police brutality.Dems have a great reform bill that just passed The House
I need to disagree with you on this because I am a veteran and from 4 generation of military family. In addition, many of the military veterans that I know and friends with...they also will disagree with you.
Sure there's other alternative methods but they've been used and ignored. Regardless, others are in fact using other alternative methods of building awareness about inequality even without protesting. Yet, keep in mind, these are teenage girls whom most likely do not have access nor require to have access to alternative methods.
Also, the legality of the issue outweighs the traditions, behavior of National Anthems at sporting events nor does it merit having racial slurs hurled at them when they know for fact that their country does not support them...yet they do know the courts are on their side.
I posted a message post last year about why / when the National Anthem became a "tradition" at sporting events...specifically started at baseball games.
National Anthem (The Star-Spangle Banner) is a song (a poem called The Defence of Fort M’Henry) about a battle in the War of 1812. The first documented time that it was played at an American sporting event came at a baseball game in 1862, during the Civil War. The tradition of playing it at sports events got a dramatic boost at the 1918 World Series, during World War I.
Simply, there are strong valid reasons why people of color will have issues with the National Anthem.
- https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2018/07/8-things-dont-know-star-spangled-banner/ (read #4 at this link...it will explain Flag Burning / Vietnam war mentioned below. Also, read #5 involving the word "slave" in the original poem...a verse that remained in the singing in the early years of using it at sporting events...writer of the poem is a slave owner)
Ironically, sporting events in the South were intentionally slow to adopt the National Anthem being played at sporting events...there were incidents of some southerners "turning their back" on the United States Flag as a form of protest during the singing of The Star-Spangle Banner.
To prevent the controversy, I do remember in high school in the 80's...the National Anthem was no longer being played at sport events (Kentucky, South Dakota, Illinois) and at some University sport events. Today, some professional sport teams no longer play the National Anthem (e.g. Dallas Mavericks Professional Basketball Team at their home games)
By the way, for what its worth, a few of the girls on the team has veterans as parents.
Since 1998, federal law (viz., the United States Code 36 U.S.C. § 301) states that during a rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present including those in uniform should stand at attention; non-military service individuals should face the flag with the right hand over the heart; members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present and not in uniform may render the military salute; military service persons not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note.
- Here's my perspective via starting with a quote (legal statement)...
The law further provides that when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed. Military law requires all vehicles on the installation to stop when the song is played and all individuals outside to stand at attention and face the direction of the music and either salute, in uniform, or place the right hand over the heart, if out of uniform. The law was amended in 2008, and since allows military veterans to salute out of uniform, as well.[73][74]
The text of 36 U.S.C. § 301 is suggestive and not regulatory in nature. Failure to follow the suggestions is not a violation of the law.
For example, Jehovah's Witnesses do not sing the national anthem, though they are taught that standing is an "ethical decision" that individual believers must make based on their conscience.
- This behavioral requirement for the national anthem is subject to the same First Amendment controversies that surround the Pledge of Allegiance.[75]
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I am a former officer in the United States Armed Forces...seeing people express their First Amendment right via kneeling doesn't bother me nor anyone in my family of a 4 generation military family that has fought in all the United States wars / conflicts since the early 1900's.
Just the same, it doesn't bother me when I see countless more individuals in the stands at sporting events not with their right hand over their heart during the National Anthem and others sitting down because they don't care to stand but not in protest.
My father (an Army Officer and Indigenous) answer my question when I was a kid about why are people burning the flag in protest of the Vietnam war while visiting grandma in South Dakota.
- I understand the actual reason / original reason for kneeling...people of all race in America are kneeling to protest racial inequality and the oppression of people of color in America.
The first sentence in his explanation was that he does not like it but if the flag is privately owned...its their First Amendment right to do whatever they want with the flag in support or protest. He stated this to me when I was a kid many years early before the Supreme Court decided in 1989 that flag burning is considered a type of protected free speech under the First Amendment.
The act is considered offensive by many, but flag burning is legal in the U.S. under Supreme Court rulings that it is constitutionally protected speech under the First Amendment.
We moved around a lot and I saw burning the U.S. flag while attending schools for kids of Military personnel in the United States and abroad in other countries. Just the same, I have always been proud to stand up, with my right hand over my heart to sing loudly the National Anthem (The Star-Spangle Banner).
I brought flag burning into this discussion because its a form of protest that has been used in violent protesting to contrast kneeling because kneeling is a non-violent form of protest to bring awareness. The context, the high school basketball game was not a form of violent protest and the girls kneeling is exercising their First Amendment although many consider it in error to be disrespectful to the United States Armed Forces.
- My family think flag burning is disrespectful but we understand its protected under the First Amendment. The issue with flag burning is because we saw people do it in anger and during violent protesting.
In the eyes of state courts...kneeling is not disrespectful nor consider as "fighting words". In contrast, racial slurs is consider in state courts in the state of Oklahoma to be fighting words, racial epithets, ethnic slurs...most businesses will fire an employee for such in Oklahoma and just about every other state of the United States.
The question now...will the families of the girls that the racial slurs were aimed at...will they litigate the issue (file a lawsuit) against the announcer and his business. Personally, I hope they do litigate the issue considering the context of the specific situation especially the fact that he did not aim his racial slurs at the other White players for kneeling nor did he make any derogatory comments towards the other White players for kneeling beyond saying he hopes the team losses the game.
- That announcer, the state high school association has already stated in the article on ESPN that he (his business) will no longer be used for the remainder of the state tournament. Simply, he has in fact been fired.
There are other sports announcement businesses in Oklahoma looking for work / contracts with sports associations. That sports announcer should not be one of them and has already lost his contract with the state high school association.
With all that said, hurling racial slurs because he can't control his emotions at teenage girls is just bullshit. That idiot sports announcer should lose the remainder of his contract with the OHSAA. Oh wait, he did lose the contract.
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I live in North Carolina. A state with many military bases and veterans. While you personally believe kneeling for the national anthem does not offend you --- this does not hold true for most of the military veterans and active serving members I interact with. This includes military veterans and personnel of every race and background. Keep in mind that I live in an area where a number of bars refused to show NFL games for a while due to the kneeling controversy.
Back to the announcer -- I have already given my opinion that he should be terminated ... and provided the reasons why within context of standard corporate HR & legal processes.
The reason is not because protestors aren't protesting the way they are being told to protest; it's because those in power aren't timely addressing social justice issues, despite being aware of them.
Here's how you sound, "When they protest in the way we tell them to, only then will we address police brutality."
Again, whenever you're ready to debate to root of the problem, let us know.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/09/10/poll-nfl-anthem-protests/
Most Americans support athletes speaking out, say anthem protests are appropriate, Post poll finds
The results underscore an ongoing shift in the way much of the country views the anthem protests that shook the NFL four years ago when quarterback Colin Kaepernick first took a knee to protest police brutality and systemic racism. Dozens of players across the league followed his lead, upsetting large factions of fans and stoking a political fight about the role of athletes. Even two years after Kaepernick first knelt, a 2018 NBC-Wall Street Journal poll found that 54 percent of registered voters felt professional football players kneeling in protest was inappropriate and 43 percent felt it was appropriate.
So 42% find this form of protest unacceptable according to the most recent CBS poll I have seen. Offending 42% of your audience is not very wise.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kneeling-athletes-anthem-opinion-poll-28-07-2020/
Yeah you quoted and rticle from 4 yeas ago but left out this part of the article conveniently.....
But some players, including former Army Ranger Alejandro Villanueva of the Pittsburgh Steelers, say disrespecting the troops was never the intent and the gesture shouldn’t be taken that way.
“I take no offense,” said Villanueva, who stood Sunday for the anthem as his team waited in the tunnel. “I don’t think veterans at the end of the day take any offense,” he added Monday. “They actually signed up and fought so that somebody could take a knee and protest peacefully whatever it is that their hearts desire.”
Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America — which represents many of the youngest veterans — supports tolerance for differing perspectives.
“We have seen that IAVA’s Post-9/11 veterans have opinions all across the spectrum on this issue,” its statement said. “Our members’ opinions, just like our members themselves, are very diverse. We hope all their voices are heard and respected as much as those of any professional athlete or politician.”
Most people POLLED.... you all should stop using polls...
Also the poll comes up with 42%.... anyone so offended to turn off the TV was not a real fan anyway and probably is one of those hypocrites that wants people to shut up and stop bothering them with social issues..... real American of them huh...
I think the NFL is going to be alright with you as a fan...
Around 42% of the country are racist republicans like the guy this thread is about.before the civil war around 42% of the country supported slavery,that number is probably the same today.This country will never progress bowing to racist conservatives