Trump Slams Protections For Immigrants From ‘Shithole’ Countries

CaptainObvious said:
The data does not distinguish between legal and "undocumented". How convenient. Of course the educated, those that come legally do better. That's a much smaller number than other categories. Small and mid sized manufacturing wages have been hit hard by this and will get worse as time goes on.
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Then I refer you once again to my original post on the matter. Have you read it?
Frederick Foresight said:
From Dear Leader's alma mater:

http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.ed...s-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

Conclusion

Economists generally agree that the effects of immigration on the U.S. economy are broadly positive.

Immigrants, whether high- or low-skilled, legal or illegal, are unlikely to replace native-born workers or reduce their wages over the long-term, though they may cause some short-term dislocations in labor markets. Indeed, the experience of the last few decades suggests that immigration may actually have significant long-term benefits for the native-born, pushing them into higher-paying occupations and raising the overall pace of innovation and productivity growth. Moreover, as baby boomers have begun moving into retirement in advanced economies around the world, immigration is helping to keep America comparatively young and reducing the burden of financing retirement benefits for a growing elderly population. While natives bear some upfront costs for the provision of public services to immigrants and their families, the evidence suggests a net positive return on the investment over the long term.
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gwb-trading said:
To be fair -- it is easier to immigrate to Canada than the U.S. if you have a education (such as an IT degree) or a needed skill (e.g. oil rig workers). A good number of the people I meet in Canada tried to get into the U.S. first (and did not get selected) before moving to Canada as second choice.
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Not only did they try to get into the United States first, they may have just spent years in the U.S. getting their degree. We educate the world and then boot them out because they don't fit into our quota but then let millions in without regard to quota, law, education, ability to support themselves and so on.

Canada has a merit based system, or at least that is part of the formula, but merit based is considered to be racist in America now. Of course Canada is getting caught up in its own goofiness too. Quebec is a "nation within a country" per the Meech-Lake Accord whatever the frig that means, and don't ask them because they don't know either. So Quebec gets to set its own immigration policy. In earlier years, the goal in Quebec was to give preference to people from French speaking countries and to require all new immigrants to learn French. That was one of the deals cut to quash the separatist movement- which actually worked. Now the lefty Quebecois are considered to be racist pigs because promoting the French culture works discriminates muslims wanting to come. Laissez les bon temps rouler! But then there is the argument that Quebec wants to be like France and France is falling to the islamists so why should Quebec not go there too. Sigh, it's hard to be a lefty sometimes.
 
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TreeFrogTrader said:
Not only did they try to get into the United States first, they may have just spent years in the U.S. getting their degree. We educate the world and then boot them out because they don't fit into our quota but then let millions in without regard to quota, law, education, ability to support themselves and so on.

Canada has a merit based system, or at least that is part of the formula, but merit based is considered to be racist in America now. Of course Canada is getting caught up in its own goofiness too. Quebec is a "nation within a country" per the Meech-Lake Accord whatever the frig that means, and don't ask them because they don't know either. So Quebec gets to set its own immigration policy. In earlier years, the goal was to in Quebecgive preference to people from French speaking countries and to require all new immigrants to learn French. That was one of the deals cut to quash the separatist movement- which actually worked. Now the lefty Quebecois are considered to be racist pigs because promoting the French culture works discriminates muslims wanting to come. Laissez les bon temps rouler! But then there is the argument that Quebec wants to be like France and France is falling to the islamists so why should Quebec not go there too. Sigh, it's hard to be a lefty sometimes.
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Yes, the one thing that is clear in Canada is that immigration is very much a merit based system - including emphasis on needed skills in Canada. There are also requirements that immigrants must be able to support themselves and will not be a burden on the social welfare system.

Canada is also very tough on deporting illegal immigrants, and rejecting people at the border who they believe may stay on illegally.

We should be more like Canada in regards to immigration.
 
SoesWasBetter said:
Was it disgraceful for Hussein to let ISIS thrive?

Since you're so sensitive thought you might know.
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I’m sensitive to stupidity and ignorance.

Immigrants and refugees are not a major problem. We can adjust our immigration policies and refugee policies without issue. I actually don’t mind bringing in more engineers and doctors but don’t get mad when they’re rich and you’re not later in life.

What bothers me is the whole “shit hole” argument and the demonization and criminalization of immigrants. That stuff appeals to morons who are going to lose to lose in life regardless of immigrants or not. I guess I have an aversion to losers picking on minorities and immigrants.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
merit based is considered to be racist in America now.
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Didn't used to be that way.

Our "immigration policy" was to vet applicants as to their desirability to contribute to America, our culture and work ethic, economy and to "embrace America"... IOW... assimilate into our culture. And that was fine.

More recently, the politicos don't bother vetting immigrants/invaders... they're only seen as "potential political pawns".. ie, "DemoCrap voters"... so no vetting necessary.... no matter how uneducated, ideologically opposed, parasitically tit-sucking on US taxpayers, disease ridden, etc.

The DemoCraps don't care if America is destroyed via unfettered immigration... they only care about "ruling the country"... even if they have to burn it all down just to rule over the ashes.

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Scataphagos said:
The DemoCraps don't care if America is destroyed via unfettered immigration... they only care about "ruling the country"... even if they have to burn it all down just to rule over the ashes.

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True dat. Venezuela is a great example. Liberalism is a self-destructing ideology disguised in the shadows of 'social good'....
 
gwb-trading said:
Yes, the one thing that is clear in Canada is that immigration is very much a merit based system - including emphasis on needed skills in Canada. There are also requirements that immigrants must be able to support themselves and will not be a burden on the social welfare system.

Canada is also very tough on deporting illegal immigrants, and rejecting people at the border who they believe may stay on illegally.

We should be more like Canada in regards to immigration.
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And at the same time, Canada needs to do more to accept refugees where that may be appropriate. There tends to be an attitude that if something happens in central or south America that that is more our responsibility than Canada's because we are the first stable stop.

Frig that. For example, we have offered shelter and safety to thousands of Haitians. Normally, one would think that we have done a good thing but now we are demons again for plans to deport them. How bout we all work together. If Canada values French speaking immigrants, well then, think of Haitian refugees and take them in. Didn't Baby Justin stand up and beat his chest and say that unlike the Americans, Canada will welcome anyone from anywhere? Go for it baby. Justins father goes down to Cuba and gets kissy faced with Castro and Castro gets kissy faced with his wife Margaret, and crows about how groovy the Cubans and communism are, but when it came time for the mariana(sp) boatlift where castro literally took every mental patient and prisoner in the country and let them go, did he send them up to Canada, nope- he did not. think no further than the good old usa.

Canada= Good

America - Bad
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
You said:

"people from Norway don’t want to come to America in the numbers we need."

How do you know that they don't want to come in the numbers we need if you do not know whether the current quota is being met or not or whether 50 times more would come if the quota was 50 times higher? We are not talking about any one country meeting all of our needs nor are necessarily talking about people working in agriculture either. We have thousands of grad students in all sorts of useful fields that are trained/educated here for years and then have to leave because they cannot get a legal status to stay. They may not meet the crop picking needs in California but that is a different discussion.
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So, staple a green card to every graduate degree if that’s what you want.

We need more immigrants, not less.
 
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