Trump real estate deal looks awfully like criminal tax fraud

I would be surprised if they did not use an llc structure or some other separate entity. Once again piezoe you should leave the legal analysis to attorneys.

Just about any attorney advising people with multiple pieces of property or businesses is going to discuss the benefits which frequently accrue to the those keeping the properties in separate entities.

There are many benefits but these are some of the big basic ones...

1. There can be tax benefits in a variety of ways from transfer taxes in some states to depreciation schedules to short vs long term gains.

2. You don't even want to get into how complicated it can get if someone holds a real estate license and develops properties and takes a back end profit. I seriously doubt you have even the slightest conception of how complex the tax code can be when it relates to the business of developing and selling properties. There are many reasons why the legal structure you choose with respect to passive or active management could have a big impact on the taxes and legality of what your are doing.

3. There can be ease of transfer benefits.

3. There is almost always going to asset protection benefits to keeping each property in a separate entity.


(Piezoe you brought up piercing the corporate veil on another thread. this is where you want to make sure you observe corporate formalities and make sure you have proper insurance. By keeping your assets in separate pods you can be more confident your wealth won't get wiped out in one unlucky accident. )


Trump University actually had an excellent book called Asset Protection 101.
Written by a guy with a JD who provides excellent basic material.
I have told multiple do it yourself types of small businessmen and property investors to buy it.

The book explains why you need to keep real estate in separate entities. It also explains why you might want to keep your IP separate from you website and your business etc.

Chapter 8 - Creating A Legal Multiple Entity Structuring Strategy


The end of the chapter is a quote from John D. Rockefeller. Own nothing but control everything.


It sounds as though the LLC structure was used for the purpose of concealing the real nature of the sale which appears to include a substantial gift from Trump to his son Eric. By doing this, were Trump to get away with it, he would avoid having the amount of the gift in excess of 14K charged against his lifetime estate tax exemption. If this is true, than the transaction, once exposed, will not be allowed shelter behind the veil of an LLC. The Trump LLC may have also claimed a capital loss on the sale! We will have to wait until Mueller's boys are finished with examining Trumps returns and finished questioning witnesses under oath. Let's wait and see what happens, shall we.

I expect this is just the tiniest tip of the Trump Tax filings iceberg. Who has the more competent attorneys do you think, Trump or Mueller? :D
 
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Here is a link to Trump's outside tax law firm. He has used the same firm since 2005.

Yeah, you are right. They don't seem competent at all. I mean recently they served as lead counsel for Amazon winning against the US Tax Court. Obviously they suck if Amazon would hire them. Isn't it easy to beat the US Tax Court? Doesn't that happen regularly by tons of attorneys? That is easy right?

I mean clearly they suck.

Link and some info below:

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Isn't it easy to beat the US Tax Court?
In my rather limited experience with the tax court, one case only, I would say that the court and IRS attorneys are very reasonable. If what you have done is reasonable under the tax code, keeping in mind intent, I think you'll have no problem. The IRS and the court are really there to catch, for example, those who might be trying to hide a large gift to a family member under the veil of an LLC -- just to pick an example out of the blue. :D
 
IRS attorneys have to be reasonable if what you have done is reasonable under the tax code. That is why we have laws, courts and judges.








In my rather limited experience with the tax court, one case only, I would say that the court and IRS attorneys are very reasonable. If what you have done is reasonable under the tax code, keeping in mind intent, I think you'll have no problem. The IRS and the court are really there to catch, for example, those who might be trying to hide a large gift to a family member under the veil of an LLC -- just to pick an example out of the blue. :D
 
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