Trump Proposed Invading Venezuela

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Associated Press: “As a meeting last August in the Oval Office to discuss sanctions on Venezuela was concluding, President Trump turned to his top aides and asked an unsettling question: With a fast unraveling Venezuela threatening regional security, why can’t the U.S. just simply invade the troubled country?”

“The suggestion stunned those present at the meeting, including U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and national security adviser H.R. McMaster, both of whom have since left the administration… McMaster and others took turns explaining to Trump how military action could backfire and risk losing hard-won support among Latin American governments to punish President Nicolas Maduro for taking Venezuela down the path of dictatorship.”

“But Trump pushed back. Although he gave no indication he was about to order up military plans, he pointed to what he considered past cases of successful gunboat diplomacy in the region, according to the official, like the invasions of Panama and Grenada in the 1980s.”
 
''My staff told me not to say this . . . . . . '' Trump continued ,


While some of those around him continued attempts to ignore or dissuade the president, reportedly Trump could not let the idea go and AP cites “two high-ranking Colombian officials” who confirmed that he brought the idea of a military overthrow up with Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos during a closed-door meeting in August of 2017.

A month later, during a dinner with other Latin American leaders on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly meeting in New York, the reporting says that Trump—despite warnings not to do so—once more brought up the subject.

“The U.S. official said Trump was specifically briefed not to raise the issue and told it wouldn’t play well,” AP reports, “but the first thing the president said at the dinner was, ‘My staff told me not to say this.’ Trump then went around asking each leader if they were sure they didn’t want a military solution, according to the official, who added that each leader told Trump in clear terms they were sure. Eventually, McMaster would pull aside the president and walk him through the dangers of an invasion, the official said.”
 
The reality is that the U.S. should dust off the Monroe Doctrine and take appropriate action in Venezuela. Of course, it would be best to communicate with other governments in the region to build consensus that Venezuela is threatening regional security and destabilizing the region. There would also need to be a commitment that U.S. would leave Venezuela stabilizing the country and determine if any of the neighboring countries desire to be involved in the stabilization efforts after removal of the current dictatorship.
 
Actually Venezuela is stabilising the region, a good lesson to all about you don't want to be this country (like the US is going with Trump).

Maybe do a swapsie, since the US is obsessed with fucking up Europe's back yard because it makes the US military industrial complex more money being far away, Euro forces should make Venezuela a protectorate as they should have done with Syria.
 
What is the basic core point of international law if it is not to protect the life liberty and basics needs of people like food and shelter?

Independent of Trump I have been wondering when does the world step in and help these people. It has oil. There is no good reason for what is happening down there.

At some point I think the world should have as objective as possible international guidelines for when and how the world steps in and sets up and monitors a vote by people.

Don't even try to argue I am supporting trump here. You want to talk about social justice. When do we save people from socialism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_in_Venezuela_(2012–present)

The crisis in Venezuela is the socioeconomic and political crisis that Venezuela has been experiencing since 2012 under the presidency of Hugo Chávez and which has continued into the current presidency of Nicolás Maduro. It is the worst economic crisis in Venezuela's history[17] and among one of the worst crises experienced in the Americas.[18][19] The crisis was the result of "Bolivarian Revolution's" populist policies[20]under the administrations of the Chávez and Maduro governments and has deepened as a result of low oil prices in early 2015.[21][22]

The contraction of national and per capita GDPs between 2013 and 2017 has been more severe than that of the United States during the Great Depression, or of Russia, Cuba, and Albania following the fall of communism.[23][24] In recent years, the annual inflation rate for consumer prices rose hundreds and thousands of percentage points, while the economy contracted by nearly 20% annually.[25] Hunger escalated to the point that the Venezuela's Living Conditions Survey (ENCOVI) found nearly 75% of the population had lost an average of at least 8.7 kg (19.4 lb) in weight due to a lack of proper nutrition.[26] According to a study published in 2018 by three Venezuelan universities, almost 90% of the Venezuelan population now lives in poverty.[27]

The crisis has affected the life of the average Venezuelan on various levels. Political corruption, shortages in Venezuela, closure of companies, unemployment, deterioration of productivity and competitiveness, and high dependence on oil are other problems that have also contributed to the worsening crisis. Regarding crime, Venezuela is one of the most violent countries in the world, with a murder rate in 2015 of 90 per 100,000 people according to the Observatory of Venezuelan Violence (compared to 5 per 100,000 in the US).[28]
 
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gwb-trading said:
The reality is that the U.S. should dust off the Monroe Doctrine and take appropriate action in Venezuela. Of course, it would be best to communicate with other governments in the region to build consensus that Venezuela is threatening regional security and destabilizing the region. There would also need to be a commitment that U.S. would leave Venezuela stabilizing the country and determine if any of the neighboring countries desire to be involved in the stabilization efforts after removal of the current dictatorship.
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What happened to America First? Just what "the forgotten man" from the midwest who voted for Trump due to economic reasons wants right?
 
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Slartibartfast said:
Actually Venezuela is stabilising the region, a good lesson to all about you don't want to be this country (like the US is going with Trump).

Maybe do a swapsie, since the US is obsessed with fucking up Europe's back yard because it makes the US military industrial complex more money being far away, Euro forces should make Venezuela a protectorate as they should have done with Syria.
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Trump, who claims to have opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and opposes US military action in Syria, wants to start it up with Venezuela? Precious.
 
exGOPer said:
Trump, who claims to have opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and opposes US military action in Syria, wants to start it up with Venezuela? Precious.
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A lot of Venezuelan money (most moved to Panama but a lot to Florida also) has Trump's ear I am certain. He is reacting to that.

Many of the rich Venezuelans I know are pretty militant now wanting anyone to intervene, including Colombia. The thing about these Venezuelan ex-pats is they are up their eyeballs in conspiracy theories. There is a mania for finding the other, those "bad guys" who really subverted and ruined Venezuela, not their own wealthy class. They neglected their poor for too long and that bit them when a Chavez came along.

However there seems little going on that can produce an internal military coup. It may go the way of Somalia where the north got organised and self-declared Somaliland (also Puntland), creating a liveable region. This may spread.
 
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Maybe Latin America should consider scrapping the Tlatelolco treaty and realize nuclear proliferation must be on the table to protect their interests.
 
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