Trump: Pope's comment disgraceful

Vatican City-State
No, Internet, the Vatican is not a walled city
By Michael O'Loughlin

National reporter February 19, 2016

After this week’s kerfuffle between GOP frontrunner Donald Trump and Pope Francis about whether building border walls is a Christ-like act, Trump supporters and others gleefully proclaimed the pope a hypocrite because the Vatican itself is completely surrounded by a big wall.

Except that it’s not.

Here’s one popular photo making the rounds:

Vatican-wall.jpg


This map, also circulating, shows St. Peter’s Square, on the right, closed off from the street by a wall. Perhaps visitors are given croziers to help them vault over.

Vatican-walls-map.jpg

In fact, Vatican City is wide open to anyone who wants to stroll down the Via della Conciliazione, located in Italy, and into St. Peter’s Square. The only thing that may slow you down are metal detectors.

In the square, you’ll be surrounded by two hemicycles of a four-row Bernini colonnade, open to the adjacent streets, designed to symbolically welcome you into the arms of Holy Mother Church.

Here’s what it really looks like from the street, with St. Peter’s Basilica straight ahead:

Vatican-entrance.jpg



And here’s the opposite view, from the basilica in Vatican City across the square out to the street, which is in Italy:

Vatican-entrance-from-St.-Peters.jpg



Not quite the forbidding fortress some are portraying.

By Thursday night, Trump had softened his tone, saying during a CNN town hall that he likes the pope and what he represents. “I don’t think this is a fight,” Trump said. “I think he said something much softer than was originally reported by the media.”

But he repeated the trope about the Vatican’s walls: “… he’s got an awfully big wall at the Vatican, I will tell you.”

He’s partly right: Large walls do surround most of the Vatican. They’re a medieval anachronism: Pope Leo IV built some of them in the 9th century to keep Church property safe from invading troops, while others are a bit newer, built in the 16th century as a sort of political statement about the power of the papacy.

“The walls are a fortification, there is no question, but they were a fortification built at a time when armed invasions by barbarians and other forces were happening,” Diane Apostolos-Cappadona, a Catholic studies professor at Georgetown, told The New York Times. “And that is not the same thing we are talking about with a wall between the US and Mexico.”

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So in this article when you read beyond the first few paragraphs it confirms that the Vatican is surrounded by large walls build in the 9th and 16th century in order to keep unwanted invaders and immigrants out.
 
So in this article when you read beyond the first few paragraphs it confirms that the Vatican is surrounded by large walls build in the 9th and 16th century in order to keep unwanted invaders and immigrants out.
Neither the word "immigrant" nor "migrant" appears in that article.
 
Of Course Donald Trump Is a Terrible Christian
Even this nonbeliever can recognize a Pharisee when he sees one

By Jesse Berney February 19, 2016

"Pope Francis really stepped in it Thursday, didn't he, getting all judgy about whether Donald Trump is a Christian. Who is he to say whether someone is a good Christian or not, the po — oh, right.

"In Trump's case, it doesn't take a pope to know he's a terrible Christian. I'm Jewish, and don't believe in God, and even I feel confident saying it is so.

"There are lots of flavors of Christianity and plenty of garnishes and sauces you can add or subtract to your worship. Wars over petty differences have shed countless gallons of blood. There are Christians who happily drive their daughters to the abortion clinic, and Christians who kick their sons out of the house for being gay.

"But there a few basics — some bare-minimum standards — you should meet if you want to use the label "Christian," especially if you want to call yourself (as Trump has) an evangelical.

"There are the doctrinal requirements, of course: You've got to believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. We can't know whether Trump believes that in his heart of hearts. But you should at least make some kind of minimal head-fake toward following Jesus' actual teachings if you want to call yourself a Christian, right? You should be a little humble, a little decent, a little concerned with the plight of your fellow man?

"Donald Trump is a black hole of humility; no self-deprecating thought can escape the gravitational pull of the delusion he has built for himself. Remember when he attacked Carly Fiorina's appearance? He believes he is physically attractive enough to insult Carly Fiorina's appearance. "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness," he once asked, "if I am not making mistakes?" (His first two wives might disagree.)

"As for whether Trump is at all decent: He hasn't been caught on tape kicking puppies or telling small children Santa isn't real. He seems to love his kids, even if he's super creepy about it sometimes. But that's bare-minimum-to-be-called-human decency, not the stuff that Jesus preached in the Sermon on the Mount.

"Blessed are those who are persecuted," said Jesus; Trump wants to deport 11 million immigrants, gleefully breaking up families.

"Blessed are the peacemakers"; Trump wants to ban all Muslims from entering the United States.

"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth"; Trump bullies Jeb Bush into submission, calling him weak and constantly interrupting him like the world's most obnoxious big brother.

"Trump is cruel to those around him and crueler in the policies he proposes. He claims the Bible is his favorite book (his own Art of the Deal a close second — seriously), but if he's ever cracked it open he certainly hasn't absorbed any of its important lessons.

"The pope didn't name Trump or specifically question his Christianity. "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not a Christian," Francis said. "This is not the gospel." And while conservatives Internet-outraged all over the Holy Father for questioning someone else's Christianity, we all know Trump's claims to be an evangelical Christian are laughable. Do you honestly think Donald Trump has ever tried to spread the word? Can you imagine Donald Trump on his knees, supplicating to a God he believes has complete power over his life, asking to be saved? (Saved from what?, you can hear him asking. My billions of dollars? The greatest buildings in the world? My model wife?)

"Pope Francis may not think much of Trump's religiosity, but the star of Celebrity Apprentice and his own sexual fantasies has managed to get his bona fides verified by a few choice evangelical stars. Like Trump, Sarah Palin and Jerry Falwell Jr. know something about entertaining a crowd, and they aren't shy about making their religion into a public performance. They claim Trump is Christian enough for them, and should be Christian enough for you — which reduces the meaning of their own religious beliefs to nearly nothing.

"You don't have to be the Vicar of Christ to judge whether Trump is a practicing Christian; you just have to listen to what he says."

Lmao @ 'I'm an evangelical'
 
Neither the word "immigrant" nor "migrant" appears in that article.

And where exactly did the unwanted outsiders come from?

Why didn't the Vatican welcome them with flowers and kisses? You know, instead of building a wall.
 
But let's assume for a moment that the kids coming from El Salvador and Honduras looking for safety and work were actually armed troops. Would Mexico then agree to pay for the wall?

Lol, Trump's a loon.
 
But let's assume for a moment that the kids coming from El Salvador and Honduras looking for safety and work were actually armed troops. Would Mexico then agree to pay for the wall?

Lol, Trump's a loon.

With the large numbers who already belong to gangs such as MS-13 before they even show up in the U.S. - they effectively are armed troops importing violence, murder, and drugs into the U.S.
 
Vatican City-State
No, Internet, the Vatican is not a walled city
By Michael O'Loughlin

National reporter February 19, 2016

After this week’s kerfuffle between GOP frontrunner Donald Trump and Pope Francis about whether building border walls is a Christ-like act, Trump supporters and others gleefully proclaimed the pope a hypocrite because the Vatican itself is completely surrounded by a big wall.

Except that it’s not.

Here’s one popular photo making the rounds:

Vatican-wall.jpg


This map, also circulating, shows St. Peter’s Square, on the right, closed off from the street by a wall. Perhaps visitors are given croziers to help them vault over.

Vatican-walls-map.jpg

In fact, Vatican City is wide open to anyone who wants to stroll down the Via della Conciliazione, located in Italy, and into St. Peter’s Square. The only thing that may slow you down are metal detectors.

In the square, you’ll be surrounded by two hemicycles of a four-row Bernini colonnade, open to the adjacent streets, designed to symbolically welcome you into the arms of Holy Mother Church.

Here’s what it really looks like from the street, with St. Peter’s Basilica straight ahead:

Vatican-entrance.jpg



And here’s the opposite view, from the basilica in Vatican City across the square out to the street, which is in Italy:

Vatican-entrance-from-St.-Peters.jpg



Not quite the forbidding fortress some are portraying.

By Thursday night, Trump had softened his tone, saying during a CNN town hall that he likes the pope and what he represents. “I don’t think this is a fight,” Trump said. “I think he said something much softer than was originally reported by the media.”

But he repeated the trope about the Vatican’s walls: “… he’s got an awfully big wall at the Vatican, I will tell you.”

He’s partly right: Large walls do surround most of the Vatican. They’re a medieval anachronism: Pope Leo IV built some of them in the 9th century to keep Church property safe from invading troops, while others are a bit newer, built in the 16th century as a sort of political statement about the power of the papacy.

“The walls are a fortification, there is no question, but they were a fortification built at a time when armed invasions by barbarians and other forces were happening,” Diane Apostolos-Cappadona, a Catholic studies professor at Georgetown, told The New York Times. “And that is not the same thing we are talking about with a wall between the US and Mexico.”

More >>
Le Bam!
 
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This was a very interesting read. Not sure I agree with all of it, but it was provocative enough save one little part...

I personally would argue that a basic line for a Christian or even a caring human being would be to see if a person supported late term abortion. Consequently Obama and just about every democrat including the some of the ones calling themselves Catholic are obviously not Christian.

I mean if you going to bring out the abortion card... lets make it plain... late term abortion is a barbaric murder of a human being. If you support it... well yeah... you are not really the caring human being you think you are.

Now... lets talk about Trump and his ego.



Of Course Donald Trump Is a Terrible Christian
Even this nonbeliever can recognize a Pharisee when he sees one

By Jesse Berney February 19, 2016

"Pope Francis really stepped in it Thursday, didn't he, getting all judgy about whether Donald Trump is a Christian. Who is he to say whether someone is a good Christian or not, the po — oh, right.

"In Trump's case, it doesn't take a pope to know he's a terrible Christian. I'm Jewish, and don't believe in God, and even I feel confident saying it is so.

"There are lots of flavors of Christianity and plenty of garnishes and sauces you can add or subtract to your worship. Wars over petty differences have shed countless gallons of blood. There are Christians who happily drive their daughters to the abortion clinic, and Christians who kick their sons out of the house for being gay.

"But there a few basics — some bare-minimum standards — you should meet if you want to use the label "Christian," especially if you want to call yourself (as Trump has) an evangelical.

"There are the doctrinal requirements, of course: You've got to believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. We can't know whether Trump believes that in his heart of hearts. But you should at least make some kind of minimal head-fake toward following Jesus' actual teachings if you want to call yourself a Christian, right? You should be a little humble, a little decent, a little concerned with the plight of your fellow man?

"Donald Trump is a black hole of humility; no self-deprecating thought can escape the gravitational pull of the delusion he has built for himself. Remember when he attacked Carly Fiorina's appearance? He believes he is physically attractive enough to insult Carly Fiorina's appearance. "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness," he once asked, "if I am not making mistakes?" (His first two wives might disagree.)

"As for whether Trump is at all decent: He hasn't been caught on tape kicking puppies or telling small children Santa isn't real. He seems to love his kids, even if he's super creepy about it sometimes. But that's bare-minimum-to-be-called-human decency, not the stuff that Jesus preached in the Sermon on the Mount.

"Blessed are those who are persecuted," said Jesus; Trump wants to deport 11 million immigrants, gleefully breaking up families.

"Blessed are the peacemakers"; Trump wants to ban all Muslims from entering the United States.

"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth"; Trump bullies Jeb Bush into submission, calling him weak and constantly interrupting him like the world's most obnoxious big brother.

"Trump is cruel to those around him and crueler in the policies he proposes. He claims the Bible is his favorite book (his own Art of the Deal a close second — seriously), but if he's ever cracked it open he certainly hasn't absorbed any of its important lessons.

"The pope didn't name Trump or specifically question his Christianity. "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not a Christian," Francis said. "This is not the gospel." And while conservatives Internet-outraged all over the Holy Father for questioning someone else's Christianity, we all know Trump's claims to be an evangelical Christian are laughable. Do you honestly think Donald Trump has ever tried to spread the word? Can you imagine Donald Trump on his knees, supplicating to a God he believes has complete power over his life, asking to be saved? (Saved from what?, you can hear him asking. My billions of dollars? The greatest buildings in the world? My model wife?)

"Pope Francis may not think much of Trump's religiosity, but the star of Celebrity Apprentice and his own sexual fantasies has managed to get his bona fides verified by a few choice evangelical stars. Like Trump, Sarah Palin and Jerry Falwell Jr. know something about entertaining a crowd, and they aren't shy about making their religion into a public performance. They claim Trump is Christian enough for them, and should be Christian enough for you — which reduces the meaning of their own religious beliefs to nearly nothing.

"You don't have to be the Vicar of Christ to judge whether Trump is a practicing Christian; you just have to listen to what he says."

Lmao @ 'I'm an evangelical'
 
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