Trump plans to sign EO ending birthright citizenship

[gwb-trading]

From 2010 - I expect the number opposed to Birthright citizenship has increased since this time. I would like to see some recent broad polls on this subject from traditional polling firms and not biased think tanks.

Poll: Americans Split over Birthright Citizenship
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-americans-split-over-birthright-citizenship/

 

[TJustice]

You are 50 percent correct.
What you don't get is the plutocrats are using the immigrants to vote for them.
Free stuff for power.

That you all don't see this is what is so frustrating to people who can think in systems.
I know its not the lefty drones faults. They just can't go beyond simple cause and effect. But most of you posting here should have sufficient brain power to observe and think. Do you really think Silcon Valley types, Hollywood types, the bankers and the casino and oil guys are different teams? 90 percent of them got to where they are through public offerings and interlocking directorships and meeting up with each other through Buffetts and the banker spokes peoples invatations to summits. I am sure it goes like this... you did great. You are in the club... Do you really want to see how the world works and ensure you progeny stay in the club like DuPonts or Rockefellers. Let me tell you how it works because we see continued greatness in you. You are now bigger than national boundaries... now you have to think like an international leader/plutocrat. (or something like that)

But, if you understand the same cronies fund both the left and the right... than you should understand why they want to bring a million people a year in.

By giving them free stuff walmart and the other companies increases their customer base.
By giving them subsidized health care, housing and supplemental money they can keep wages artificially low. With benefit cliffs inflation, income taxes and death taxes they can limit people ability to move up the wealth ladder and compete for assets.... including crooked politicians and in the future, clean water, clean air and nutrient rich food.

As Americans wake up they of course vote against plutocrat controll.
So, they must bring in a million more immigrants every year and push for fewer rights and more barriers to competition via Congress.

Please admit to yourself that is at least a possible scenario... and then watch for a few years.
Actions speak louder than words.

The US is becoming a plutocracy, but never mind that, it's the immigrants that are the problem. Pay no attention to the rich white men behind the curtain.

 

[Slartibartfast]

It may be a distraction but legally it is interesting. What he can do with an EO is yet to be seen and what congress can do is also interesting.

I don’t dismiss this and if it’s something you oppose I would not brush it off.

I don't oppose it at all as a notion, anchor-babies I disagree with. That said if the child is born to an actual refugee and from a functionally failed state.. it has to be from somewhere. The parents, a different matter and that is what was happening in Europe with African women using a child as a shortcut to citizenship.

I oppose the rabble-rousing election timing of it and the fact that he exaggerated and lied AGAIN about the facts.

He needs to stir the hate, he is grasping.

Trump is the rodent and this is cheap election propaganda groundhog day.

 

[newwurldmn]

In The Senate, 21 Democrats voted against the bill and only 6 Republicans did. Basically, only 70 percent of Democrats in both chambers voted for the bill and 80 percent of Republicans did. So now tell me----which party is the actual civil rights party?

?? you are comparing a vote that happened in 1964 and saying that 70% vs 80% defines "the civil rights party."

That's the best you got when three alt-righters went on separate killing sprees 3 days ago.

 

[newwurldmn]

I would agree in part that "radical" leftists would like to abolish the second amendment, hell they'd like to abolish the entire constitution. And yes, the mainstream left continues to pander and make excuses for the most extreme elements of their base, so I get the dig in and never give an inch attitude. This however does not bring us together as a nation and solves no problems. Hey, I'm a unapologetic pessimist at this point. The tipping point has past, there's no way things turn out well. The only question is how hard will the crash be.

The difference between the "radical left" and the alt-righters is that the adults in the room largely ignore the radical left. Bernie lost. The communist girl will lose.

On the conservative side, the alt-righters have been gaining power. It's been going on since the late 90's with the religious right, Ann Coulter, etc.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

Let’s get ready to rumble! In the Left corner is a man who needs no introduction: A self made 6’ 5 1/2“ millionaire living in his girlfriend’s apartment. In the Right corner is Poin “Photoshop” Dexter, a military man who could possibly disembowel an enemy with just his thumb.

Venue to be determined. Medlin, Colombia or Orlando, Fl, USA.

Event tentatively to be held on YouTube.

Pay per view prices to be determined. Revenue breakdown tentantively set at 45% / 45% / 10% for the participants and the organizer. Betting odds have been opened at 1.00:1.00.

Don’t miss the internet event that will be talked about for generations! Who do you think will prevail?

Seriously, shouldn’t the relative value of an “Internet Person” be measured by the accuracy, depth, and relevancy of their posts? We all potentially benefit when we share our experiences and ideas with each other. We even can benefit from those who submit false arguments as it can help us develop effective counters to them.

It is the act of debating that helps test our cerebel fitness and keep us sharp mentally. If we always agreed with each other our discourse would have the value of a bunch of clucking chickens.

Those who cry mommy by reverting to too many ad hominums are showing immaturity and intellectual weakness.

I like Slartibartfast for the sharing of his personal experiences, his homourous observations of people, and his sometimes in depth posts. Poindexter has consistently great posts and can put up an appropiate meme in record time.

Would not everybody’s time be best served by focusing more on posting what’s relevant instead of seeing who can piss more in a pissing contest?

 

[Wallet]

Let’s get ready to rumble! In the Left corner is a man who needs no introduction: A self made 6’ 5 1/2“ millionaire living in his girlfriend’s apartment. In the Right corner is Poin “Photoshop” Dexter, a military man who could possibly disembowel an enemy with just his thumb.

Venue to be determined. Medlin, Colombia or Orlando, Fl, USA.

Event tentatively to be held on YouTube.

Pay per view prices to be determined. Revenue breakdown tentantively set at 45% / 45% / 10% for the participants and the organizer. Betting odds have been opened at 1.00:1.00.

Don’t miss the internet event that will be talked about for generations! Who do you think will prevail?

Seriously, shouldn’t the relative value of an “Internet Person” be measured by the accuracy, depth, and relevancy of their posts? We all potentially benefit when we share our experiences and ideas with each other. We even can benefit from those who submit false arguments as it can help us develop effective counters to them.

It is the act of debating that helps test our cerebel fitness and keep us sharp mentally. If we always agreed with each other our discourse would have the value of a bunch of clucking chickens.

Those who cry mommy by reverting to too many ad hominums are showing immaturity and intellectual weakness.

I like Slartibartfast for the sharing of his personal experiences, his homourous observations of people, and his sometimes in depth posts. Poindexter has consistently great posts and can put up an appropiate meme in record time.

Would not everybody’s time be best served by focusing more on posting what’s relevant instead of seeing who can piss more in a pissing contest?

I had actually thought of starting a "PMS" thread "Poindexter meets Slartifartbast" for the two to keep their insult matches out of the normal threads.

 

[TJustice]

I am aware of the typos. I was typing fast.
control...
then
invitations
I am sure there were more.

You are 50 percent correct.
What you don't get is the plutocrats are using the immigrants to vote for them.
Free stuff for power.

That you all don't see this is what is so frustrating to people who can think in systems.
I know its not the lefty drones faults. They just can't go beyond simple cause and effect. But most of you posting here should have sufficient brain power to observe and think. Do you really think Silcon Valley types, Hollywood types, the bankers and the casino and oil guys are different teams? 90 percent of them got to where they are through public offerings and interlocking directorships and meeting up with each other through Buffetts and the banker spokes peoples invatations to summits. I am sure it goes like this... you did great. You are in the club... Do you really want to see how the world works and ensure you progeny stay in the club like DuPonts or Rockefellers. Let me tell you how it works because we see continued greatness in you. You are now bigger than national boundaries... now you have to think like an international leader/plutocrat. (or something like that)

But, if you understand the same cronies fund both the left and the right... than you should understand why they want to bring a million people a year in.

By giving them free stuff walmart and the other companies increases their customer base.
By giving them subsidized health care, housing and supplemental money they can keep wages artificially low. With benefit cliffs inflation, income taxes and death taxes they can limit people ability to move up the wealth ladder and compete for assets.... including crooked politicians and in the future, clean water, clean air and nutrient rich food.

As Americans wake up they of course vote against plutocrat controll.
So, they must bring in a million more immigrants every year and push for fewer rights and more barriers to competition via Congress.

Please admit to yourself that is at least a possible scenario... and then watch for a few years.
Actions speak louder than words.

 

[TJustice]

Did you oppose the timing of how the democrats went after Kavanaugh after the hearings were closed?

Do you oppose that this caravan had been timed to be an election issue? (it seems to have backfired as almost everything Schumer has done has.)

Did you oppose Pocohantas' releasing info in front of the election and it being orchestrated by the media? (another brilliant stunt for dems)

Your sanctimonius bullshit is just that.

Your correct its clearly timed to be an election thing. That is what almost every politician does.

Frankly, I am ticked off because it should have been done a year and half ago and I think its likely to be another empty promise.

Trump playing ball with House sellouts like Ryan have put him on the cusp of being impeached. Ryan and his sellout buddies got nothing done for the base and as a result they will likely lose a load of seats they should have retained.

It is really messed up that Trump waited on this til now.

That is the difference.

Sanctimonius anti Trump Troll bullshit from a troll foreigner vs concern for our liberty and our future from a citizen.

I don't oppose it at all as a notion, anchor-babies I disagree with. That said if the child is born to an actual refugee and from a functionally failed state.. it has to be from somewhere. The parents, a different matter and that is what was happening in Europe with African women using a child as a shortcut to citizenship.

I oppose the rabble-rousing election timing of it and the fact that he exaggerated and lied AGAIN about the facts.

He needs to stir the hate, he is grasping.

Trump is the rodent and this is cheap election propaganda groundhog day.

 

[smallfil]

This is long overdue! Let the extreme liberals challenge this in the US Supreme Court where it will be decided! US politicians have been abusing the 14th amendment which does not apply to illegals who are foreigners! Other countries do not award automatic citizenship to children of illegals born in their countries! The US should do likewise!