Trump plans to sign EO ending birthright citizenship

Scataphagos said:
Hmmm... contrary to what I've read. The authority of EOs end with end of the presidency. But not biggie. If a new pres wants to repeal a former EO, can do so with the stoke of a pen.. ??
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Correct. Trump has had to revoke numerous Hussein EOs
 
Buy1Sell2 said:
No. We can't wait for Congreff to do anything that is already provided for in The Constitution.They wouldn't repeal HusseinCare, what makes you think that they would legislate this?. You have recently begun exhibiting leftist tendencies and I would like to see that stop.
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o_O:rolleyes:
 
LS1Z28 said:
I know that. I'm just not a big fan of using executive orders to superficially pass legislation regardless of who's in the white house. DACA wouldn't exist if congress would've done their job. They should've tackled immigration reform a long time ago.
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Some truth in that.

I'm not a fan of EO's in general. Grants too much power to the Executive, even if only "temporary". (Good Grief... look at the harm Odumbo did with his "phone and a pen"!)

History back to George Washington times. Hard to poo-poo it now.
 
Scataphagos said:
Some truth in that.

I'm not a fan of EO's in general. Grants too much power to the Executive, even if only "temporary". (Good Grief... look at the harm Odumbo did with his "phone and a pen"!)

History back to George Washington times. Hard to poo-poo it now.
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EOs are only available to enforce existing law. The President as the chief law enforcement officer in the nation, must have these available to use. Problem is, that noone put Hussein's feet to the fire and he got away with legislating from the oval office.
 
Buy1Sell2 said:
EOs are only available to enforce existing law. The President as the chief law enforcement officer in the nation, must have these available to use. Problem is, that noone put Hussein's feet to the fire and he got away with legislating from the oval office.
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Yes... and in many cases, exceeded Constitutional* authority. But they let him "get away with it" because he is (1) Democrap/Liberal/Lefty/Communist.. actively seeking to destroy America, and (2) part black.

*EO can "get away with almost anything"... until the SCOTUS tells him "NO" The "time lag" and its impact can be HUGE!
 
Tsing Tao said:
As much as it pains me to do so, I must agree with you.
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Look at it this way, it’s really not me you agree with but the law as stands today.

AAAintheBeltway said:
Not exactly. The 14th Amendment states in relevant part : " All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..."

The key phrase here is "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." People lawfully in the country are subject to its jurisdiction. So are their offspring. An invading army would not be, and their offspring would clearly not be entitled to birthright citizenship.

Where do illegal aliens fit in? Are they more like lawful residents or are they more like an invading army? The Supreme Court has never directly answered the question. U.S. v. Won Kim Ark is widely credited with establishing the principle that presence in the US is all that is required to confer birthright citizenship, but that case turned on the issue of whether the parents could be citizens of another country, not on whether they were in the US legally.

I think it is arguable that Won Kim was wrongly decided. The 14th Amendment, the Constitution's Pandora's Box, was poorly drafted but it seems hard to believe the drafters intended to sanction tourism citizenship. The case itself can be distinguished as illegal immigration was not involved.
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I’m not sure of the legal status of the parents in the case but I will reiterate this I do not dismiss the authority of the executive branch to regulate the 14th Amendment.

If Trump pushes this button it will be very interesting where it goes. Politically, this is his brand so he can push this 100 mph if he wants and if he gets stymied he can villianize the courts.
 
Buy1Sell2 said:
EOs are only available to enforce existing law. The President as the chief law enforcement officer in the nation, must have these available to use. Problem is, that noone put Hussein's feet to the fire and he got away with legislating from the oval office.
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Obama was constantly being sued and so is Trump. You guys just have a tendency to cry over everything a democrat does. It’s pathetic.
 
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