Trump: Obama 'colluded or obstructed' in 2016 election

you are confusing issues to avoid admitting your misrepresentations.


focusing on incidental collection is used to confuse the main issue.
there are court ordered wiretaps and incidental collection but that is not all there is.

that is completely different from what I am referring to. I am referring to the echelon program and 5 eyes where everything is captured. We are all tapped all the time.

Whether there was a court ordered wire tap of trump tower is a distraction and irrelevant to the point that every call is tapped and captured by the NSA.

Susan rice requesting the unmasking vs actually doing the unmasking again is a distinction without a difference for our purposes here.





exGOPer said:
You don't have to listen to me about this topic, you could listen to Coats who laid out the distinction between wiretapping and incidental collection. If you think he is lying then do remember that he is a Republican appointed by Trump.

Secondly, Susan Rice can't unmask - it's not within her powers. You are confusing REQUEST for unmasking which then has a IC procedure. It's entirely routine and happens all the time. Why are you so upset that a traitor like Flynn was unmasked? Do you wanted him to be part of government selling favors?

Trump is not right, he is lying as usual and you are supporting his pathological lying with your bullshit.

Here is Nunes saying the exact same thing

"“The evidence remains the same,” Nunes said Wednesday. “I don’t think there was an actual tap of Trump Tower.”"

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/white-house-rejects-intel-committee-wiretap-conclusion

Here is Dan Coats saying the same
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/wat...-chief-obliterates-his-claims-of-wiretapping/

So even die hard Trump supporters are lying but Donald 'biggest inaugration crowd ever' Trump isn't? LOL
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let me break this down for you.
remember when the fed was going nuts about the need for the 700 billion during the banking crisis bailout?
that was a smoke screen. It was lending out 13 trillion to banks and other institutions.

this fisa 702 stuff is also a smoke screen. Echelon collects everything. Not just people targeted.

so yeah... they might have caught administration officials in a fisa 702 net.
but that does not change the fact that echelon / five eyes captures everything.
 
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at least the unmasking was done by Americans not hackers from a quasi-hostile country spurred by an opposing political candidate.
 
exGOPer said:
Secondly, Susan Rice can't unmask - it's not within her powers. You are confusing REQUEST for unmasking which then has a IC procedure. It's entirely routine and happens all the time. Why are you so upset that a traitor like Flynn was unmasked? Do you wanted him to be part of government selling favors?

Trump is not right, he is lying as usual and you are supporting his pathological lying with your bullshit.

Here is Nunes saying the exact same thing

"“The evidence remains the same,” Nunes said Wednesday. “I don’t think there was an actual tap of Trump Tower.”"

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/white-house-rejects-intel-committee-wiretap-conclusion

Here is Dan Coats saying the same
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/wat...-chief-obliterates-his-claims-of-wiretapping/

So even die hard Trump supporters are lying but Donald 'biggest inaugration crowd ever' Trump isn't? LOL
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exGOPer said:
Not true at all, what she did was routine

"“The national security advisor, every day, as part of the National Security Council, gets a compilation of intelligence reports every morning,” says Goitein. “To the extent that the reports include US person information that has been masked, per standard procedure, you would certainly expect the people who received those reports to be among the people who are requesting the unmasking.”"

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/sorry-susan-rice-not-smoking-gun/
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Nice try. Not.

I agree that she has the security clearance to undertake her lawful duties which may include requests for masking and unmasking. That does not however mean that all such requests were not an abuse of power. She initiated a sudden surge of requests about trump campaign officials right before the election. To exercise her lawful authority for political motives would constitute an abuse of power. In addition, there is the issue of why and who was involved in the request to lower the classification status after flynn was unmasked giving the appearance or effect of making it available to a larger circle of people for leaking on the way out. She and others may have defenses or can present a different way of looking at all this. That's fine. I am just saying they are and should be subject to investigation as well. Congress is beginning to circle back and look at Loretta. Good. And the FBI is circling back looking at Bernie and his wife Mamma Cass for bank fraud. Good. You want a witch hunt environment? Good, giddy-up let's go. And by all means lets look at Comey's actions with both Hillary and Trump, and let's expose Mueller's conflict of interest and McCabe's too. And we know that the Clinton Crime Foundation needs its own special investigator. Good. Let's go.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
That does not however mean that all such requests were not an abuse of power. She initiated a sudden surge of requests about trump campaign officials right before the election.
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Citation needed of this sudden surge and where she knew they were trump campaign officials.

You just made stuff up to suit your narrative. And why is it abuse of power, if a Trump lackey talks to Russians who are being monitored, why is it wrong to know who it was. What's so special about a Trump traitor?

And nice try with your Lynch and Bernie deflections. Who cares?
 
exGOPer said:
And why is it abuse of power, if a Trump lackey talks to Russians who are being monitored, why is it wrong to know who it was. What's so special about a Trump traitor?
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There are plenty of reasons why masking was requested in the first place- one of them being that the person may have been intercepted as a collateral intercept on a fisa warrant.

So you apparently are questioning why anyone should be masked and why anyone should not be prevented from unmasking just because that is what they want.

Let's just back this up a little. The history of who masked and who requested the unmasking, and who requested that the security classification level be lowered right after the unmasking are all on record in the department/s. With the investigation that all needs to be discovered and we can go from there. Unfortunately for you and Susan Rice, this is not just your little banana republic where you decide who is guilty of something and needs to be outed. In addition there is the problem where he might have been under criminal investigation and you dont out someone to tip off the accomplices while the investigation is in process. Most likely something you would not think of.

We dont need to resolve it here. There needs to be a full investigation and unfortunately for Susan Rice and others that is going to happen. Good luck trying to make it all go away.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
There are plenty of reasons why masking was requested in the first place- one of them being that the person may have been intercepted as a collateral intercept on a fisa warrant.

So you apparently are questioning why anyone should be masked and why anyone should not be prevented from unmasking just because that is what they want.

Let's just back this up a little. The history of who masked and who requested the unmasking, and who requested that the security classification level be lowered right after the unmasking are all on record in the department/s. With the investigation that all needs to be discovered and we can go from there. Unfortunately for you and Susan Rice, this is not just your little banana republic where you decide who is guilty of something and needs to be outed. In addition there is the problem where he might have been under criminal investigation and you dont out someone to tip off the accomplices while the investigation is in process. Most likely something you would not think of.

We dont need to resolve it here. There needs to be a full investigation and unfortunately for Susan Rice and others that is going to happen. Good luck trying to make it all go away.
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Again, if the unmasking request was inappropriate then the IC would have refused - considering they didn't and exposed treason from Flynn, it's obvious Rice was on the right.

And it has gone away, NOTHING will happen, if you want to bet on it, I am all for it.
 
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