Trump mocked for low attendance at rally

[vanzandt]

Seeing that just about every arena in the U.S. licenses the same song list... and the Trump campaign rallies have been held in these arenas with the licensing..... then the campaign has nothing to do with paying license fees or royalties. Can you site one example of the Trump campaign playing songs they have no license to or have paid no royalties for in an arena. Despite previous claims like this and noise from the left -- the reality is that all the previous assertions were proven false since the arena holds the playlist license for every event held there.

Actually, that's not correct. Trump's campaign, "Re-elect Trump Inc." or whatever it's called, they are the ones that have to buy the license.

There's different rules for sporting arenas, civic centers, etc. Their licenses are only good for events they sponsor. Trump rents the place. Its different. There are all different categories of ASCAP licenses. You are thinking of the type that is licensed to a bar or nightclub.

Since Trump takes his traveling medicine show all over and rents the various venues, his campaign is the one required to hold that license. I think it's called a "conventions and expositions" agreement and its valid for a negotiated period of time.

Either way, they can't technically stop him.... ALTHOUGH... there is a gray area there as these events do in fact get televised.. but that might even be covered too if the network in question also has a license. Which I'm pretty sure they do.

 

[gwb-trading]

Actually, that's not correct. Trump's campaign, "Re-elect Trump Inc." or whatever it's called, they are the ones that have to buy the license.

There's different rules for sporting arenas, civic centers, etc. Their licenses are good for events they sponsor. Trump rents the place. Its different. There are all different categories of ASCAP licenses. You are thinking of the type that is licensed to a bar or nightclub.

Since Trump takes his traveling medicine show all over and rents the various venues, his campaign is the one required to hold that license. I think it's called a "conventions and expositions" agreement and its valid for a negotiated period of time.

Either way, they can't technically stop him.... ALTHOUGH... there is a gray area there as these events do in fact get televised.. but that might even be covered too if the network in question also has a license. Which I'm pretty sure they do.

Actually all the articles and information indicated that the arenas hold the license.... not the political campaign.

Keep in mind that many events rent arenas - rather than being sponsored -- it is all based on the structure of the agreement. Everything from fire-arm shows to women empowerment seminars rent arenas..... all of these events come with full rights to the licensed music library of the venue.

 

[vanzandt]

Actually all the articles and information indicated that the arenas hold the license.... not the political campaign.

Keep in mind that many events rent arenas - rather than being sponsored -- it is all based on the structure of the agreement. Everything from fire-arm shows to women empowerment seminars rent arenas..... all of these events come with full rights to the licensed music library of the venue.

The articles are wrong.
Hold on a second.

 

[vanzandt]

Here's the agreement for arenas:

Read paragraph 2 (d) (i)

https://www.ascap.com/~/media/files...ents_rates_reports/municipalities-license.pdf

This license does not authorize performances: (i) at any convention, exposition, trade show, conference, congress, industrial show or similar activity presented by LICENSEE or on the Premises unless it is presented or sponsored solely by and under the auspices of LICENSEE, is presented entirely on LICENSEE'S Premises, and is not open to the general public

 

[Cuddles]

Actually all the articles and information indicated that the arenas hold the license.... not the political campaign.

Keep in mind that many events rent arenas - rather than being sponsored -- it is all based on the structure of the agreement. Everything from fire-arm shows to women empowerment seminars rent arenas..... all of these events come with full rights to the licensed music library of the venue.

I don't like repeating myself

While sometimes true, the campaign has not been shy about playing songs they have no license to or have paid no royalties for. Par for the course for a criminal organization in power with no regard for the rule of law.

so a link to "all these articles" saying arenas hold licenses to all the music spurring complaints would be nice

 

[vanzandt]

Your gun shows and women's empowerment conventions require this:

https://www.ascap.com/~/media/files...reements_rates_reports/convention-license.pdf

As do the Maga Rally's.

 

[gwb-trading]

Your gun shows and women's empowerment conventions require this:

https://www.ascap.com/~/media/files...reements_rates_reports/convention-license.pdf

You need to pull up the multi-year license agreement for a venue stating it covers all events held there.

 

[vanzandt]

Here's the gray area, but like I said, pretty sure the networks hold a license too, albeit also a different type of license.

(b) This license does not authorize the broadcasting, telecasting or transmission by wire or by wireless means or otherwise, of renditions of musical compositions in SOCIETY’s repertory to persons outside of the premises where each function shall be presented. Nothing in this Paragraph 2(b) shall be deemed to limit LICENSEE’s right to transmit renditions of musical compositions in SOCIETY’s repertory to attendees in connection with teleconferences pursuant to Paragraph 1(d) (i) of this Agreement or in connection with transmissions through LICENSEE’s event website. (c) This license shall be limited to performances of music during functions conducted, sponsored, endorsed or approved by, or presented by or under the auspices of LICENSEE as part of or in conjunction with LICENSEE’s events which are open only to attendees.(d) This license does not authorize performances of music on LICENSEE’s event website other than performances made in direct connection with LICENSEE’s events.

You need to pull up the multi-year license agreement for a venue stating it covers all events held there.

Where's the link to that?

Here's all of them.

https://www.ascap.com/music-users/licensefinder

 

[gwb-trading]

Here's the gray area, but like I said, pretty sure the networks hold a license too, albeit also a different type of license.

(b) This license does not authorize the broadcasting, telecasting or transmission by wire or by wireless means or otherwise, of renditions of musical compositions in SOCIETY’s repertory to persons outside of the premises where each function shall be presented. Nothing in this Paragraph 2(b) shall be deemed to limit LICENSEE’s right to transmit renditions of musical compositions in SOCIETY’s repertory to attendees in connection with teleconferences pursuant to Paragraph 1(d) (i) of this Agreement or in connection with transmissions through LICENSEE’s event website. (c) This license shall be limited to performances of music during functions conducted, sponsored, endorsed or approved by, or presented by or under the auspices of LICENSEE as part of or in conjunction with LICENSEE’s events which are open only to attendees.(d) This license does not authorize performances of music on LICENSEE’s event website other than performances made in direct connection with LICENSEE’s events.



Where's the link to that?

Here's all of them.

https://www.ascap.com/music-users/licensefinder

I would take it that a venue is either private club or a public local/state government facility. Most sign one year or greater licensing agreements.

 

[gwb-trading]

Here's the gray area, but like I said, pretty sure the networks hold a license too, albeit also a different type of license.

(b) This license does not authorize the broadcasting, telecasting or transmission by wire or by wireless means or otherwise, of renditions of musical compositions in SOCIETY’s repertory to persons outside of the premises where each function shall be presented. Nothing in this Paragraph 2(b) shall be deemed to limit LICENSEE’s right to transmit renditions of musical compositions in SOCIETY’s repertory to attendees in connection with teleconferences pursuant to Paragraph 1(d) (i) of this Agreement or in connection with transmissions through LICENSEE’s event website. (c) This license shall be limited to performances of music during functions conducted, sponsored, endorsed or approved by, or presented by or under the auspices of LICENSEE as part of or in conjunction with LICENSEE’s events which are open only to attendees.(d) This license does not authorize performances of music on LICENSEE’s event website other than performances made in direct connection with LICENSEE’s events.



Where's the link to that?

Here's all of them.

https://www.ascap.com/music-users/licensefinder

See the section titled - Arena or Stadium in the 2018 master license agreement

https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/performingRights/Files/2018/2018ASCAPLicensingBook.pdf