Trump Is Right to Battle China on Trade, But Now Comes the Hard Part

He is going about this all wrong.

What would be “the right way” ? I’m quite curious. Don’t say: “file a case with WTO” because despite its membership obviously China blatantly ignores WTO rules and rulings.
 
actually - regarding soy - think about what Trump is doing here... he is putting his own voter base at risk..

this is a move that any career politician would never make, which is why any previous administration, not of the US, but any other western countries that have been taken advantage of by China, didn't do a thing... because they'd never have the political will to piss off their own voter base to get something done.

Trump is a true god send, this country is so blessed, that at this critical moment somehow he pulled off an election out of nowhere and looks like he's gonna reverse the course of America gradually losing domination.
 
didn't Buffett say to win in negotiation you need to act half crazy?

soy is one 1 chess piece in the whole thing right? big picture China has much more to lose... nobody ever said it's a cost-free trade war for the US.... the whole point is who has to suffer more pressure and has to cave in... the 500b surplus China has certainly puts more pressure on them.

favoring the upper end of the spectrum - that I agree... the trickle-down thing hasn't worked too well... but I think 1 major factor is the technology advancement that has expedited the flow of information (hence wealth)... but that is a separate topic from the trade war.. for now.
To paraphrase Gerry Spence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Spence) the cowboy lawyer from Wyoming, you're never going to get anyone to agree to something that isn't in their own best own interest. Every masterful negotiator understands this. Every successful negotiation must recognize this reality. You must find a win-win solution to every conflict, or suffer the dismal consequences.

This is why Trump is a failure as a negotiator. He bullies and threatens -- the tactic of mob bosses. And ultimately, I suppose, it is why, once he'd run out of daddy's money, he was forced to support his lavish lifestyle with guile and bank credit, later defaulted on, or by bilking investors in his many failed schemes, or by laundering ill gotten gains for Russian Mafia. His two major successes have been as a TV Star and in getting himself elected, with Russian help, to the Presidency. He is truly remarkable in that respect! I would guess it is the rare criminal of great infamy that can not be said to have been truly remarkable in one way or another. Take Jeffrey Dahmer, for example. How truly remarkable it is that he was able get so many young men cut up and into his freezer before anyone noticed that something was seriously awry.
 
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To paraphrase Gerry Spence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Spence) the cowboy lawyer from Wyoming, you're never going to get anyone to agree to something that isn't in their own best own interest. Every masterful negotiator understands this. Every successful negotiation must recognize this reality. You must find a win-win solution to every conflict, or suffer the dismal consequences.

This is why Trump is a failure as a negotiator. He tries to bully and threaten. The tactic of mob bosses.

this is where different cultures clash... for China it's all about 'I win you lose', thru all these years in the WTO.

sure, win-win is the best scenario, but that does not mean maximum benefit for 1 party... very key difference here.

right now what are China's options - rock and a hard place... if they don't cave in they face economic collapse... if they agree to abide by the WTO rules, they will have slower growth, they will face more western competition.... so which one is the 'win' between the rock and the hard place :)
 
To paraphrase Gerry Spence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Spence) the cowboy lawyer from Wyoming, you're never going to get anyone to agree to something that isn't in their own best own interest. Every masterful negotiator understands this. Every successful negotiation must recognize this reality. You must find a win-win solution to every conflict, or suffer the dismal consequences.

This is why Trump is a failure as a negotiator. He tries to bully and threaten. The tactic of mob bosses.

I'd ask the same question bone just asked... what is the alternative?

China has ignored all the WTO rules been getting away with it... what is the 'right way'? what do you do if they ignore and refuse to open their markets - which is what they have been doing for years.
 
didn't Buffett say to win in negotiation you need to act half crazy?

He is crazy, Arrogant and delusional. Perfect for negotiations with China. Unlike any other president where china made us fold the better hand. Trump is in with 10/2 off suit and they are shakling with his all in.
 
The Chinese always knew the the US politicians dont have the political will to do anything about trade, because career politicians only care about the votes for the next election..

tough for them... Trump came... guy doesn't care about the next election.. well he cares, but he cares about MAGA.

that's the difference.
 
There are valid issues re trade with China. Trump, however, is a dangerous, mentally ill lunatic. He is going about this all wrong. He's a fool when it comes to business and negotiating, but he's a masterful carnival barker, with the charisma, cadence and voice tone of a baptist circuit preacher. The absolute best! A genius of his particular racket. But do we want a carnival barker, a criminal one at that, to lead our nation? I hope not. He risks losing U.S. soybean markets that won't come back for a long, long time.

We can't compete on manufacture of "copper fit" back supports and cheap non-stick frying pans, but we could compete well on soybeans. But not now. Trump's a danger to our nation. He is driven by his out of control narcissism. He craves insatiably the admiration of his uneducated supporters who will believe every spur of the moment lie. Trump is a dangerous criminal, and his foolish tariffs will create retaliation, they won't solve trade disputes, as ya'll are about to discover.

In the end, it will bEdite Trump that caves not China, but the opposite picture will be painted for Murdoch's FOX viewers. Just as in the NAFTA "renegotiation", Trump will claim a great victory. Nothing of substance will be gained, however. In the meantime America's farmers will be forced to accept government handouts, and the risk of long term loss of market share looms large. Yes, there are issues with our trade relationship with China that need to be addressed. Trumps ham handed mafia approach is absurd however. China is a not cross town bully threatening to invade his shake-down territory.

Trump is the beneficiary of increased government spending into a pseudo full-employment economy -- an innovation of unbridled, short-sighted greed. This leaves more money in the private sector than is withdrawn via taxes and fees and gooses savings and private investments, which, in the present case, is heavily weighted to favor the upper end of the economic spectrum . But there is never a free lunch. After Trump is long gone, we will pay the price for expansion of the money supply at a greater rate than growth in real GDP can support.
Me thinks you have lost your way...
 
To paraphrase Gerry Spence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Spence) the cowboy lawyer from Wyoming, you're never going to get anyone to agree to something that isn't in their own best own interest. Every masterful negotiator understands this. Every successful negotiation must recognize this reality. You must find a win-win solution to every conflict, or suffer the dismal consequences.

This is why Trump is a failure as a negotiator. He tries to bully and threaten. The tactic of mob bosses.

OK, Orange Man Bad. I hear you and I take your point. So I'll ask once again. What would be “the right way” ? I’m quite curious. Don’t say: “file a case with WTO” because despite its membership obviously China blatantly ignores WTO rules and rulings.
 
To paraphrase Gerry Spence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Spence) the cowboy lawyer from Wyoming, you're never going to get anyone to agree to something that isn't in their own best own interest. Every masterful negotiator understands this. Every successful negotiation must recognize this reality. You must find a win-win solution to every conflict, or suffer the dismal consequences.

This is why Trump is a failure as a negotiator. He bullies and threatens -- the tactic of mob bosses. And ultimately, I suppose, it is why, once he'd run out of daddy's money, he was forced to support his lavish lifestyle with guile and bank credit, later defaulted on, or by bilking investors in his many failed schemes, or by laundering ill gotten gains for Russian Mafia. His two major successes have been as a TV Star and in getting himself elected, with Russian help, to the Presidency. He is truly remarkable in that respect! I would guess it is the rare criminal of great infamy that can not be said to have been truly remarkable in one way or another. Take Jeffrey Dahmer, for example. How truly remarkable it is that he was able get so many young men cut up and into his freezer before anyone noticed that something was seriously awry.

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