Trump Is Right About Birth Citizenship

[achilles28]

You guys arguing for open borders with amnesty are dumber then a box of rocks.

The southern border is where 90% of the narcotics, illegals, gang members, cartels, and foreign nationals enter the United States, undetected. Many of those foreign nationals captured at the border are of Chinese and Middle Eastern descent (speaking Farsi/Arabic). This is during a terror war.

Build the wall. Man it with ground penetrating radar. Deport their asses. 15 years after 911 and you stupid old fucks can't figure this out? Country is long gone. We should put your ass on the next bus back to Guatemala. Save the SS check for someone who actually cares about America.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

yes, I am anxiously awaiting the facts to back up your anecdotal claims. "Illegals have very high rates of being on welfare and committing crimes." You can back that up with facts? Or is it just a manefestation of your fear of things you don't understand?

The government intentionally hides a lot of this or refuses to keep meaningful data.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-06-03.html

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-07-01.html

 

[achilles28]

yes, I am anxiously awaiting the facts to back up your anecdotal claims. "Illegals have very high rates of being on welfare and committing crimes." You can back that up with facts? Or is it just a manefestation of your fear of things you don't understand?

As of 10 years ago, 30% of prisoners in Federal Prisons were illegal aliens. 52,000 illegal aliens, to be more precise.

That's roughly 4.4 times the rate to be expected, given the illegal population at the time (20 million / 300 million national population).

If, like you say, illegals committed crimes on par with whites or less, as you suggest, their incarceration rates in Federal Prisons should be around 6.6%. Not 30%. Big difference.

 

[achilles28]

yes, I am anxiously awaiting the facts to back up your anecdotal claims. "Illegals have very high rates of being on welfare and committing crimes." You can back that up with facts? Or is it just a manefestation of your fear of things you don't understand?

Here are your stats:

http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf (page 2)
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p10.pdf (page 2)

In 2010, 55,000 criminal aliens were in Federal Prisons. Out of a total Federal Prison population of 209,771 persons. That means 26% of all Federal Prisoners were illegal aliens. In 2010, the total estimated undocumented alien population in the US was 10.8 million persons. That gives a percentage rate of 3.5% of the population (10.8 million / 309 million).

If illegal aliens committed crimes proportional to their population, we would expect to see roughly 3.5% of all Federal Prison inmates to be illegal aliens. Instead, 26% of all prison inmates were illegal aliens. That means illegal aliens are 7.4 TIMES MORE LIKELY to be incarcerated in Federal Prison for criminal activity, then the expected average.

Now take State Prisons. In 2009, criminal aliens numbered 296,000 in State and Local prisons. The total State prison population in 2009 was 1,410,000. That means 21% of State Prisoners were illegal aliens. Again, in ~2009, the percentage of illegal aliens living in the US was 3.5%. Therefore, illegal aliens were 6 TIMES MORE LIKELY to be incarcerated in State Prisons for criminal activity, then the expected average.

Remember, these numbers include just the illegals US law enforcement caught and sentenced. There are many more that got away, driving the criminal rates much higher.

Have you seen the light?

It's the same shit with blacks. Blacks commit homicides at FOUR TIMES their expected rate (Blacks are 12% of the population and commit ~40% of all homicides). etc.

 

[PiggyBank]

Just thought you might like to know the Supreme Court is majority conservative. So when you are referring to "leftist courts" at least you are not referring to the Supreme Court. That should make you very happy.

I loathe the actions of the current CJ, and I do not agree that he's been conservative while serving on the Supreme Court. That is based upon his rulings and rewriting of the aca. In my book, that makes the SC a majority leftist court. I don't care whether you agree or not.

 

[piezoe]

Here are your stats:

http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf (page 2)
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p10.pdf (page 2)

In 2010, 55,000 criminal aliens were in Federal Prisons. Out of a total Federal Prison population of 209,771 persons. That means 26% of all Federal Prisoners were illegal aliens. In 2010, the total estimated undocumented alien population in the US was 10.8 million persons. That gives a percentage rate of 3.5% of the population (10.8 million / 309 million).

If illegal aliens committed crimes proportional to their population, we would expect to see roughly 3.5% of all Federal Prison inmates to be illegal aliens. Instead, 26% of all prison inmates were illegal aliens. That means illegal aliens are 7.4 TIMES MORE LIKELY to be incarcerated in Federal Prison for criminal activity, then the expected average.

Now take State Prisons. In 2009, criminal aliens numbered 296,000 in State and Local prisons. The total State prison population in 2009 was 1,410,000. That means 21% of State Prisoners were illegal aliens. Again, in ~2009, the percentage of illegal aliens living in the US was 3.5%. Therefore, illegal aliens were 6 TIMES MORE LIKELY to be incarcerated in State Prisons for criminal activity, then the expected average.

Remember, these numbers include just the illegals US law enforcement caught and sentenced. There are many more that got away, driving the criminal rates much higher.

Have you seen the light?

It's the same shit with blacks. Blacks commit homicides at FOUR TIMES their expected rate (Blacks are 12% of the population and commit ~40% of all homicides). etc.

Are you sure you're not counting the ones being held for entering to U.S. illegally

 

[gwb-trading]

Are you sure you're not counting the ones being held temporarily until they can be deported for being here illegally. You did say "federal" Prisons, right.

Federal Deportation Centers are different than Federal Prisons - their occupants are not included in the federal prisoner count.

 

[achilles28]

Are you sure you're not counting the ones being held temporarily until they can be deported for being here illegally. You did say "federal" Prisons, right.

If you had bothered to actually read the GAO report (which you didn't), criminal aliens have at least 7 arrests, on average. Most being for immigration and drug related offenses. In Arizona, Florida, Cali and New York, illegals are arrested primarily for drug offenses. In New York, its for homicides. So sorry, wet-back lover.

"Based on our random sample, GAO estimates that the criminal aliens had an average of 7 arrests, 65 percent were arrested at least once for an immigration offense, and about 50 percent were arrested at least once for a drug offense. Immigration, drugs, and traffic violations accounted for about 50 percent of arrest offenses. About 90 percent of the criminal aliens sentenced in federal court in fiscal year 2009 (the most recently available data) were convicted of immigration and drug-related offenses. About 40 percent of individuals convicted as a result of DOJ terrorism-related investigations were aliens. SCAAP criminal aliens incarcerated in selected state prison systems in Arizona, California, Florida, New York, and Texas were convicted of various offenses in fiscal year 2008 (the most recently available data at the time of GAO’s analysis). The highest percentage of convictions for criminal aliens incarcerated in four of these states was for drug-related offenses. Homicide resulted in the most primary offense convictions for SCAAP criminal aliens in the fifth state—New York—in fiscal year 2008"

 

[piezoe]

If you had bothered to actually read the GAO report (which you didn't), criminal aliens have at least 7 arrests, on average. Most being for immigration and drug related offenses. In Arizona, Florida, Cali and New York, illegals are arrested primarily for drug offenses. In New York, its for homicides. So sorry, wet-back lover.

"Based on our random sample, GAO estimates that the criminal aliens had an average of 7 arrests, 65 percent were arrested at least once for an immigration offense, and about 50 percent were arrested at least once for a drug offense. Immigration, drugs, and traffic violations accounted for about 50 percent of arrest offenses. About 90 percent of the criminal aliens sentenced in federal court in fiscal year 2009 (the most recently available data) were convicted of immigration and drug-related offenses. About 40 percent of individuals convicted as a result of DOJ terrorism-related investigations were aliens. SCAAP criminal aliens incarcerated in selected state prison systems in Arizona, California, Florida, New York, and Texas were convicted of various offenses in fiscal year 2008 (the most recently available data at the time of GAO’s analysis). The highest percentage of convictions for criminal aliens incarcerated in four of these states was for drug-related offenses. Homicide resulted in the most primary offense convictions for SCAAP criminal aliens in the fifth state—New York—in fiscal year 2008"

"immigration offenses" You mean like entering the country illegally.

 

[achilles28]

"immigration offenses" You mean like entering the country illegally.

Ya and drug offences and homicides. Seemed you missed that part, dumby.