Trump Is Right About Birth Citizenship

piezoe said:
Actually the point is that it is NOT necessitated by the wording of the 14th Amendment. See Arnie's and Jem's links. The real problem is a political one, it's not the 14th Amendment. Trump is correct! The 14th amendment does not confer citizenship on "anchor" babies born to parents here illegally. That said, if you are running for President of the United States and you propose to deport people who have lived all the lives in the U.S. and graduated from U.S. schools and are as American as you or I, you better think twice. That's why the Dream Act was proposed, i.e., to get around this very sticky political problem. It is not that those non-citizens will be voting against you, it is that the citizens of this country will vote against you. Deporting these kids and young adults that are thoroughly "Americanized" is unpopular among the general population, and hugely unpopular among the legal Hispanic population!!!
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more American than me. I didn't even make it to my 18th birthday without getting in trouble several times with the law. If you can sneak across, make a living and stay out of trouble until you have come of age, that's American enough for me.
 
piezoe said:
Actually the point is that it is NOT necessitated by the wording of the 14th Amendment. See Arnie's and Jem's links. The real problem is a political one, it's not the 14th Amendment. Trump is correct! The 14th amendment does not confer citizenship on "anchor" babies born to parents here illegally. That said, if you are running for President of the United States and you propose to deport people who have lived all the lives in the U.S. and graduated from U.S. schools and are as American as you or I, you better think twice. That's why the Dream Act was proposed, i.e., to get around this very sticky political problem. It is not that those non-citizens will be voting against you, it is that the citizens of this country will vote against you. Deporting these kids and young adults that are thoroughly "Americanized" is unpopular among the general population, and hugely unpopular among the legal Hispanic population!!!
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Too nuanced for Trump. But then, he'll hire "great people" to sort all this out.
 
The problem has nothing whatsoever to do with the Constitution. It has to do with 1) the porous border and the difficulty of getting effective legislation passed that would correct that situation because U.S. businesses want access to cheap labor. (THE U.S.WAS BUILT ON CHEAP LABOR. Cheap Labor underlies the entire U.S. economy and it's bedrock upon which the country was founded!) U.S. businessmen and corporations pull the political strings in this country. 2) The U.S. is extremely ineffective in going after employers of illegals, and on the rare occasion employers do get caught, the fines are not sufficient to make hiring of illegals non-profitable. They go right back to the well and hire more illegals -- see for instance "Howard Industries.." All other developed countries go after employers to a greater extent than we do. We reverse that in the U.S. because business calls the tune, and Congress dances to it.
 
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loyek590 said:
more American than me. I didn't even make it to my 18th birthday without getting in trouble several times with the law. If you can sneak across, make a living and stay out of trouble until you have come of age, that's American enough for me.
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Can't disagree with that.:D
 
no, everytime one illegal crosses, we are going to move the border south by one mile.

"Before long, we'll own Vera Cruz...Have you ever been there? It's gorgeous. I love Vera Cruz. The people are great. They love me. The people in Vera cruz are begging....just begging for me to build a resort there."
 
loyek590 said:
no, everytime one illegal crosses, we are gpoing to move the border south by one mile.

"Before long, we'll own Vera Cruz...Have you ever been there? It's gorgeous. I love Vera Cruz. The people are great. They love me!"
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Lol
 
stu said:
There are more than adequate legal grounds for lawmakers to restrict illegal immigration and to adjust rules around benefits and handouts which may encourage anchor babies, if that's what's required, without disingenuously attempting to justify it with extreme mashing of a couple of words in the Constitution to say the opposite of what they do.
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Stu look at it this way. Let's assume you are CEO of a major U.S. corporation that hires many illegals. Do you want your illegal workforce showing up on the job sick and hungry. I hardly think so!
 
can you call a court with kennedy and a squish like Roberts in the middle a conservative court. perhaps it had the potential to be a conservative court... but it is not.

not on the big issues it has reviewed lately.

piezoe said:
Just thought you might like to know the Supreme Court is majority conservative. So when you are referring to "leftist courts" at least you are not referring to the Supreme Court. That should make you very happy.
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loyek590 said:
no, everytime one illegal crosses, we are going to move the border south by one mile.

"Before long, we'll own Vera Cruz...Have you ever been there? It's gorgeous. I love Vera Cruz. The people are great. They love me. The people in Vera cruz are begging....just begging for me to build a resort there."
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I love this idea. I know Trump is going to go for it too. He'll get his people working on it right away. Vera Cruz is gonna love the Donald!
 
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