Trump is a liar and very very ignorant.

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futurecurrents said:
It has generally been my experience that when people pepper their speech with the phrase “believe me,” they are not to be believed.

The default position among people of honor — the silent agreement between speaker and listener — is one of truth and trust.

But Donald Trump is not a person of honor.

Presidents lie. Politicians lie. People lie. But Trump lies with a ferocious abandon.

For instance, the fact-checking website PolitiFact found that of thestatements by Hillary Clinton that it checked, 22 percent were completely “true” and another 28 percent were “mostly true.”

But Trump is another animal. There is no true equivalency between Trump and Clinton, or between Trump and any other politician, for that matter. Only 4 percent of Trump’s statements that PolitiFact checked were rated as completely “true” and only another 11 percent were even rated as “mostly true.” Seventy percent of Trump’s statements that the site checked were rated as “mostly false,” “false” or “pants on fire,” the site’s worse rating.

The truth shifts beneath Trump like sand. He has no regard for the firmness of fact. For him, fact is as pliant as that Play-Doh he handed out to flood victims in Louisiana.

Indeed, PoltiFact named Trump’s collective “campaign misstatements” the2015 Lie of the Year, writing:

“It’s the trope on Trump: He’s authentic, a straight-talker, less scripted than traditional politicians. That’s because Donald Trump doesn’t let facts slow him down. Bending the truth or being unhampered by accuracy is a strategy he has followed for years.”

The site quotes from Trump’s book “The Art of the Deal,” in which he says, “People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion.”

In fact, Tony Schwartz was the ghostwriter for that book and in July he blasted Trump in an interview in The New Yorker:

“Schwartz says of Trump, ‘He lied strategically. He had a complete lack of conscience about it.’ Since most people are ‘constrained by the truth,’ Trump’s indifference to it ‘gave him a strange advantage.’”

When introducing a series about “the scale and depth of Donald Trump’s lies,” the magazine’s editor, David Remnick, put it this way:

“Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for President, does not so much struggle with the truth as strangle it altogether. He lies to avoid. He lies to inflame. He lies to promote and to preen. Sometimes he seems to lie just for the hell of it. He traffics in conspiracy theories that he cannot possibly believe and in grotesque promises that he cannot possibly fulfill. When found out, he changes the subject — or lies larger.”

And yet in polls like the CNN/ORC poll released Tuesday, Trump leads Clinton on the issue of being honest and trustworthy by 15 percentage points. (I should point out that some have raised questions about the methodology of that poll.)

I believe that this is in large part because we, an irresponsible media, have built a false equivalency in which the choice between Clinton and Trump seems to have equally bad implications, because we have framed it as a choice between a liar and a lunatic.

But this obscures the fact that the lunatic is also a pathological liar of a kind and quality that we have not seen in recent presidential politics and perhaps ever.

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Trump is not lying or telling the truth on many of these issues. This may be why fact check reads his message as lies. How is this so? Trump knows he's going to solve many issues, but he doesn't actually know HOW he's going to accomplish this. Solving major issues of a large country is too complex to KNOW exactly what needs to be done this far in advance. In the meantime, the press and the people want statements of fact...they will only get "filler" to some degree. Have any of you run a business? When there are major issues to be fixed, you may have an idea of how to attack the problem, but you don't have enough information until you actually dive into the problem and consider all the variables/resources. This is why his words come with an element of doubt, but he also knows the problem will get fixed...cause he always has come through in every aspect of his life/business. He may get together with certain brain trust in between a MAJOR CAMPAIGN schedule, but there's only so much time. Remember, he plans on fixing the United States, how could anyone know all the answers at this point? Also remember, Hillary is planning a "status quo" approach to running the country...how complex is that? She means what she says...basically keep things the same.

As far as both candidates lying about past scandals/mistakes...they both are guilty. The problem is that Hillary is supposed to be an employee/servant of the people. Too many of her bad deeds have come at the expense of the United States people/taxpayers. Trump is a savvy business man and has manipulated much to his benefit, but his actions haven't directly effected you or I. I've been around business people all my life and they pretty much all bend things in their favor. I consider personal income taxes to be "business" as well. How many of you embellish your taxes? Are all business people unfit to be president? I really doubt Trump is tying to become president to screw the people and for what. He has his own empire already! Hilary has abused her political status in the past will continue to do so as president, this has been the pattern...hasn't it? Words from an INDEPENDENT.:cool:
 
futurecurrents said:
Oh yeah, and probabaly only from one program....The Apprentice. lol My God the man is ignorant.
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You really believe he's ignorant? Do you think it's that easy to become a billionaire? I don't even think Hillary is ignorant...just incompetent. You do realize that political campaigns are a game. He happens to be the player that almost all persons with any degree of power are against. Because of this, his campaign persona definitely comes across as immature at times. You do realize he's not like this in serious private meetings. I've heard individuals say this isn't the Trump they've met before, therefore, they're on the "fence" about supporting him...confused. Trump was a serious/thoughtful thinker on The Apprentice when he was actually conducting business. Political campaigns are a "PONY SHOW"...that's why he acts like a pony...er...ass... sometimes. Ignorant...I don't think so.
 
BONECRUSHER said:
You really believe he's ignorant? Do you think it's that easy to become a billionaire? I don't even think Hillary is ignorant...just incompetent. You do realize that political campaigns are a game. He happens to be the player that almost all persons with any degree of power are against. Because of this, his campaign persona definitely comes across as immature at times. You do realize he's not like this in serious private meetings. I've heard individuals say this isn't the Trump they've met before, therefore, they're on the "fence" about supporting him...confused. Trump was a serious/thoughtful thinker on The Apprentice when he was actually conducting business. Political campaigns are a "PONY SHOW"...that's why he acts like a pony...er...ass... sometimes. Ignorant...I don't think so.
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Yes, there is no question that Trump is very ignorant. He knows nothing outside of his little world. He does not read. He thinks global warming is a hoax. Even in his own world he has left a trail of broke promises and bankruptcies. His and others. Nothing he ever says impresses or shows knowledge of the subject, in fact it does the opposite.

But he says that he knows more about ISIS than the generals. Yes, he actually said that.

It should be clear to any sentient being that Trump is an ignorant egotistical buffoon.
 
futurecurrents said:
Yes, there is no question that Trump is very ignorant. He knows nothing outside of his little world. He does not read. He thinks global warming is a hoax. Even in his own world he has left a trail of broke promises and bankruptcies. His and others. Nothing he ever says impresses or shows knowledge of the subject, in fact it does the opposite.

But he says that he knows more about ISIS than the generals. Yes, he actually said that.

It should be clear to any sentient being that Trump is an ignorant egotistical buffoon.
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How else can I say this? With Trump, you can't judge a book by it's cover. I agree that he takes the political "pony show" too serious and tries too hard to push buttons with condescension and outrageous comments. Obviously, he's trying to light fires everywhere he can, to see where controversy acquires a following. After all, the odds have been stacked against him from the beginning...he needed an outrageous approach to have a chance. This is why I think "campaigns" can be ridiculous in the first place. For some reason he believes his "New York attitude" of being brash and direct has been necessary.

When he says global warming is a hoax, he's commenting on the political/profit push of global warming. There's a lot of people getting rich off global warming...Al Gore and his comrades. I don't understand how an "END" to a business entity should be considered a broken promise. I grew up in a small business and had one as an adult...they both had an "end" to there operation...eventually. Giving employment to people for years is a good thing, even if you have to shut down and let them go...only to rehire and start again. He did say he knows more about ISIS than the generals. He's also clarified his comment by saying he knows more than the generals under Obama and Hillary because they are incompetent...basically constrained by the politics of these two leaders.

Don't be fooled by Trump and how he expresses himself, he is a major extrovert and when put in front of an audience, he does what extroverts do...talk before thinking. In private settings this will not be the case. You can't have an empire and be a dumb shit!

Futurecurrents...you come across as fairly educated. I think you're having difficulty believing that a person who acts like Trump can have any amount of intelligence. Some of us can be programmed to expect all intelligent people to act like academics, like our professors did in college. A company called United Rentals (public) has big clients who are land developers, many of them come across as "good ole boys" with a rough edge. These people are extremely rich and competitive and if you talk to them in private...extremely wise...about life and business. They remind me of Trump. This is how the business world is... the real world too...all very competitive! Politics is about mastering the facade, this obviously isn't Trump's element...as he is too honest sometimes.

It's been good exchanging views with you.:D
 
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