Trump is a liar and very very ignorant.

piezoe said:
The United States is a country that has perfected lying. We call it advertising. In other countries the word "propaganda" means "advertising". When we see how sexy we will become if we buy a certain brand of automobile, we don't think twice about how ridiculous such a message is. We are inured to lying because we are bombarded by it. Our entire economy is based on lies. Being exposed to a constant stream of lies is a normal part of our everyday existence. When Trump says "I'm the most honest person in the world. Nobody is more honest than I am. Everybody says so," it's of course, a lie. Nobody questions it though. Why would we? We expect him to lie. And in fact, I would guess nobody is better at lying than he. He is a salesmen. He makes his living via advertising. If we thought twice about it - which we don't - we'd realize that it would be most unusual for him to tell the truth about anything. We'd be the ridiculous ones if we expected anything other than lies from him.

Now Hillary, by contrast, is not normally in the business of promotion and advertising. It wouldn't be unreasonable for us to expect her to be as proficient at lying as Mr. Trump, and we don't want to be unreasonable. When Hillary tells a lie, we notice it right away because she is not very good at it. Whereas when Trump tells a lie, it's expected behavior and he is very, very good at it. You might say, "That nobody is better at lying than Donald Trump!" Of course Trump, himself, would never say that. If he did, we would notice it right away. He'd give himself away with his lack of expertise in telling the truth. He doesn't practice enough. He'd be a rank amateur, and we'd notice.

If this election comes down to which candidate is the better and more practiced liar, it is pretty clear who will win.
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Very often during election cycle, one power-eager candidate would promote so-called Patriotism or Protectionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectionism policies targeting usually selfish short-term/sighted objectives that can be delivered professionally in a doublespeak manner in order to please more diverse voters each time.

These objectives are sometimes liked by many/most innocent or less-educated voters disregarding their irrationality or unhealthy long-term systemic results!

The fallacy of democratic pluralism : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralism_(political_philosophy)


OddTrader said:
Here is just another Lie, about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism ! :)
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piezoe said:
The United States is a country that has perfected lying. We call it advertising. In other countries the word "propaganda" means "advertising". When we see how sexy we will become if we buy a certain brand of automobile, we don't think twice about how ridiculous such a message is. We are inured to lying because we are bombarded by it. Our entire economy is based on lies. Being exposed to a constant stream of lies is a normal part of our everyday existence. When Trump says "I'm the most honest person in the world. Nobody is more honest than I am. Everybody says so," it's of course, a lie. Nobody questions it though. Why would we? We expect him to lie. And in fact, I would guess nobody is better at lying than he. He is a salesmen. He makes his living via advertising. If we thought twice about it - which we don't - we'd realize that it would be most unusual for him to tell the truth about anything. We'd be the ridiculous ones if we expected anything other than lies from him.

Now Hillary, by contrast, is not normally in the business of promotion and advertising. It wouldn't be unreasonable for us to expect her to be as proficient at lying as Mr. Trump, and we don't want to be unreasonable. When Hillary tells a lie, we notice it right away because she is not very good at it. Whereas when Trump tells a lie, it's expected behavior and he is very, very good at it. You might say, "That nobody is better at lying than Donald Trump!" Of course Trump, himself, would never say that. If he did, we would notice it right away. He'd give himself away with his lack of expertise in telling the truth. He doesn't practice enough. He'd be a rank amateur, and we'd notice.

If this election comes down to which candidate is the better and more practiced liar, it is pretty clear who will win.
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I'm not sure I agree that she isn't very good at it, but that really isn't the point anymore. We have come to accept pathological lying in politics as the norm. The people who are supposed to be pressing the issue, the media, don't do it for their chosen candidate. They were given all the power of the first amendment primarily for this specific issue, to hold a politicians feet to the fire.
Problem with lying and acceptance of said liars is that it's progressive in nature. Lies beget more lies. Acceptance of lies begets more acceptance. Ultimately you get to where we're at. That point is, there is no truth at all. We just have a range of lies from the silly little things to the holy shit they don't expect us to believe that, do they. And still, even when caught red handed in the lie, numbers too numerous to count as of late, they spin the tale, have their media minions circle the wagons, and then wait the cycle out.
There are a number of things to consider when choosing the person you're going to vote for. Honesty is no longer on the list. I do believe that has been done with intention.
 
piezoe... lets compare the gravity of the lies.
lets compare the frequency of the lies.
As a starting point lets start with this C meant classified.
Next lets start with the fact her action lead to the death of americans and she has lied and covered up with lies upon more lies.
After all the lies as a public servant, think about all the covering up she did for Bill.

On F/c;s big trump lie list.
1. He was against the war during the war and maybe before
2. is not a lie
3. is not a lie there is no scientific proof that man made co2 causes warming.
 

Trump's been paying politicians for years. Now, he's playing the voters

Richard Wolffe

Donations to Pam Bondi and Greg Abbott show that Trump’s ‘outsider’ status is pure fantasy. He stands at the apex of a system corrupted by money and power

Saturday 10 September 2016

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/09/donald-trump-pam-bondi-greg-abbott

It would be too much to say that Trump is a hypocrite. You see, he hasn’t promised to fix the broken system. He only pointed out that he bought other politicians. He only hinted that he has so much money that he can’t be bought by other donors. Reform was never his rallying cry.

A real reform candidate could have worked wonders in this presidential cycle. An outsider with unimpeachable credentials and a decent claim to credibility might have ripped through both the primaries and the general election. That was, in part, the appeal of Bernie Sanders.

Instead, the Republican party nominated someone who openly admits to buying politicians, and whose relationship with the truth looks like a comb-over.

Trump’s pitch to voters isn’t that he’s cleaner than his supposedly crooked opponent. It’s that he’s paid so much for the broken system that he doesn’t need to sell himself.

This isn’t your typical pay-to-play scheme. Trump has paid the politicians for years, and now he’s trying to play the voters.
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Hillary caught in another whopper today.
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Hillary told another whopper today, one of her typical I am a heroic woman who has stood up to bullies my whole life lies.
Speaking to a blog called “Humans of New York” on Thursday, Hillary shared a “rare personal message” – as Politico put it. She claimed that when she took the LSAT during her senior year of college, men taking the test shouted at her, saying her admission to law school could cost them their draft deferments, forcing them to go to Vietnam, where they would die. The moral of the story was that she had to “learn as a young woman to control my emotions.” Brave Hillary!

Here’s what Hillary said:

“I was taking a law school admissions test in a big classroom at Harvard. My friend and I were some of the only women in the room. I was feeling nervous. I was a senior in college. I wasn’t sure how well I’d do. And while we’re waiting for the exam to start, a group of men began to yell things like: ‘You don’t need to be here.’ And ‘There’s plenty else you can do.’ It turned into a real ‘pile on.’ One of them even said: ‘If you take my spot, I’ll get drafted, and I’ll go to Vietnam, and I’ll die.’ And they weren’t kidding around. It was intense.

“It got very personal. But I couldn’t respond. I couldn’t afford to get distracted because I didn’t want to mess up the test. So I just kept looking down, hoping that the proctor would walk in the room. I know that I can be perceived as aloof or cold or unemotional. But I had to learn as a young woman to control my emotions. And that’s a hard path to walk. “

The problem with this corny story that only stupid 20-year-old girls would believe is: Hillary graduated from Wellesley in 1969. Remember? That’s when she gave that speech insulting the first black senator since Reconstruction. So her senior year began in autumn, 1968. She says she was a senior during this harrowing experience, which is when the LSAT is normally taken. But the LBJ administration ended all graduate school deferments on February 16, 1968, except for medical, dental and divinity students, when Hillary was still a junior in college.

Perhaps it was that bump on her head that has her confused on dates. Or the trauma of that gunfire she ducked landing in Sarajevo.

-from Breitbart
 
I find this whole lie comparison business offensive. Trump's "lies" have been largely matters of opinion, obvious hyperbole or off-the-cuff miscues. The media have tried to blow them up into something serious but few people care.

Hillary's lies are a world apart. They are in the context of obstructing an investigation into her obvious violation of government security rules and laws, hiding her pay for play scheme at State or gratuitous swipes at decent people like the Benghazi parents or Bill's many victims.

Her own supporters say in polls in shocking numbers that she is untrustworthy. Left unsaid is the seriousness of the things she routinely lies about. No one really objected when Trump mocked her as Crooked Hillary. It fit and everybody knew it.
 
AAAintheBeltway said:
I find this whole lie comparison business offensive. Trump's "lies" have been largely matters of opinion, obvious hyperbole or off-the-cuff miscues. The media have tried to blow them up into something serious but few people care.

Hillary's lies are a world apart. They are in the context of obstructing an investigation into her obvious violation of government security rules and laws, hiding her pay for play scheme at State or gratuitous swipes at decent people like the Benghazi parents or Bill's many victims.

Her own supporters say in polls in shocking numbers that she is untrustworthy. Left unsaid is the seriousness of the things she routinely lies about. No one really objected when Trump mocked her as Crooked Hillary. It fit and everybody knew it.
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No, what's really bad about Trump's lies, is that they are mostly due to ignorance and having no idea what the fuck is going on in multiple areas. He doesn't read books. He gets his info from the internet, if at all.

I'll take a wise knowledgable liar that has good intentions over an ignoramus type egotistical liar and fraud like Trump any day.
 
futurecurrents said:
No, what's really bad about Trump's lies, is that they are mostly due to ignorance and having no idea what the fuck is going on in multiple areas. He doesn't read books. He gets his info from the internet, if at all.

I'll take a wise knowledgable liar that has good intentions over an ignoramus type egotistical liar and fraud like Trump any day.
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Actually he has said he gets his information from watching Television. He didn't quote the channel.
 
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