Trump Has Gotten China to Lower Its Tariffs. Just Toward Everyone Else.

Other than "orange man bad" - it's too easy to get lost in the demagoguery.

A paradigm shift has already taken place in the past several months. Now, a very legitimate argument could be made against the use of tariffs - but China would be very mistaken to think that a Democratic House and Executive Branch would give them any respite. This has been a long time coming, and both political parties agree that China needed to be confronted. You won't find one Presidential Candidate that espouses a return to "business as usual" with China.

Tariffs and political pressure have already worked in one sense: Silicon Valley has turned away from Chinese-sourced capital in a very dramatic fashion, and every company that imports Chinese made goods into the US is taking a long, hard look at their supply chain and are actively pursuing alternatives. Between the current spat and the 2010 Chinese embargo on rare earths - their reputation as a reliable producer has been breached. And Mexico and Vietnam (among a dozen other Countries) are wasting no time in capitalizing on that perception.

Vietnam is controlled by china... I am close with a few nams, mostly Asian people where I am from =). Believe me when I say, the chinese communist control the Vietnamese communist. Vietnam is a one party communist state, the controlling faction and country in general has deep hate against the US due to Vietnam war, the hate against US will likely never leave, it's mind boggling US Corps don't get that... One thing I never understood, is why they are incapable of setting up shop themselves and waited for chinese to come set up shop in their own country, use them as workers and the chinese as owners.
 
And on ignore you go, too. I stated the argument and backed it up, disagreeing on issues is what makes life better, just being a cunt and ignoring points, that were backed up, is not. Play your "I want to feel outraged" game with others. Adios amigo.

Hold on how am I quoting you if I am on ignore? Come on volpunter/gaussian/GRULSTMRNN/NeedToLearn, you need to think this through.

I don't know what's more pathetic, that you have multiple accounts in a bid to satisfy your fragile ego or that you can't handle a civil argument. Unlike your aliases, I kept this discourse with you civil.

@Baron you need to start implementing checks on people signing up.
 
Let's be honest. Steve Bannon perhaps woke up to that and urged the president. Who else would have massively confronted China? I could not find any other single politician. Certainly not Europeans. Not even a single US senator. They talked and moaned but never proposed any legislative enforceable ideas.

The turning point was when China built missile batteries in SouthPacific & claiming those islands/atolls as their territory.
That's when the West woke up well & truely.
The One Belt Road is a continuation of their world strategy.
 
Have you traveled to Vietnam in the past 20 years? Because that is not what I am seeing. Most Vietnamese do not care a thing about communism and past wars. They care about prosperity and making money.

Also Vietnam is not just used by Chinese but is a global manufacturing hub and is currently exploding because of demand from global corporations to relocate their factories there from China. Almost the entire Uniqlo clothing line is made in Vietnam, many auto parts are made in Vietnam that Toyota, Honda, and Nissan source. And the list goes on. It's capitalism pure baby, nobody hates Yanks and nobody gives a darn about communism.


Vietnam is controlled by china... I am close with a few nams, mostly Asian people where I am from =). Believe me when I say, the chinese communist control the Vietnamese communist. Vietnam is a one party communist state, the controlling faction and country in general has deep hate against the US due to Vietnam war, the hate against US will likely never leave, it's mind boggling US Corps don't get that... One thing I never understood, is why they are incapable of setting up shop themselves and waited for chinese to come set up shop in their own country, use them as workers and the chinese as owners.
 
Hold on how am I quoting you if I am on ignore? Come on volpunter/gaussian/GRULSTMRNN/NeedToLearn, you need to think this through.

I don't know what's more pathetic, that you have multiple accounts in a bid to satisfy your fragile ego or that you can't handle a civil argument. Unlike your aliases, I kept this discourse with you civil.

@Baron you need to start implementing checks on people signing up.

You need to be on "super ignore" to make his posts invisible. I'm fairly certain I triggered the snow flake to ignore me on like my 2nd questioning of his dumbassery
 
On ignore for talking too deep out of your ass

Your reasoning skills are bad. Your exiting skills are worse. If you can't face your own mistakes, how good a trader can you be? :D:D:D

Other than "orange man bad" - it's too easy to get lost in the demagoguery.

A paradigm shift has already taken place in the past several months. Now, a very legitimate argument could be made against the use of tariffs - but China would be very mistaken to think that a Democratic House and Executive Branch would give them any respite. This has been a long time coming, and both political parties agree that China needed to be confronted. You won't find one Presidential Candidate that espouses a return to "business as usual" with China.

Tariffs and political pressure have already worked in one sense: Silicon Valley has turned away from Chinese-sourced capital in a very dramatic fashion, and every company that imports Chinese made goods into the US is taking a long, hard look at their supply chain and are actively pursuing alternatives. Between the current spat and the 2010 Chinese embargo on rare earths - their reputation as a reliable producer has been breached. And Mexico and Vietnam (among a dozen other Countries) are wasting no time in capitalizing on that perception.

Not sure if Chinese leaders know this but the Trump administration is actually doing China a big favor with its suicidal tariff circus acts. De-dollarization can now accelerate with far less political hurdles to severely erode the 2 pillars of US power - the Petrodollar and the military. Russia, Iran, Venezuela etc are no longer selling their oil to China for US dollars. Saudi Arabia is rumored to follow suit soon. Russia, China, and India are all hoarding gold. Why do you think that is?

The turning point was when China built missile batteries in SouthPacific & claiming those islands/atolls as their territory.
That's when the West woke up well & truely.
The One Belt Road is a continuation of their world strategy.

Turning point? What does it mean?
South Pacific? I think that should be the South China Sea.
The West (woke up)? No, I'd say it's just the Anglo-American Establishment. No need to wake up, as its plan for total hegemony has always been active. The "China speed" is hard to cope given the incompetent "strategists" under Establishment's payroll.

Obviously misunderstood the premise of the article, and rather than admit it, doubled down, and tried to steer the conversation into something that was never in discussion, hoping people wouldn't hand him his ass in the process.

What boggles the mind is trying to make the argument that tariffs are bilateral as if equal to a trade agreement, when his very own sun King has been issuing unilateral punitive tariffs for 2 years now.

GRULSTMRNN can't even handle basic reasoning. He should be thanking us for smartening him up. LOL
 
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Lol, are you joking? Did you check up on the authors of that so-called research study by the so-called PIIE?

Chad P. Bown (PIIE), Euijin Jung (PIIE) and Eva (Yiwen) Zhang (PIIE)

All commie red ants who are part of the 2cent army and who work hard at trying to convince the common man of something that is not there. This CNBC cluster fuck points to the same source as the OP.

And here is my final proof that the OP is complete nonsense. Here is the quoted reference in the PIIE article that they use as proof that tarrifs and duties were lowered for other countries but the US since the trade war started:

"The exception is a handful of exporting countries that receive lower than MFN tariffs in the Chinese market due to its 14 free trade agreements and its unilateral preference programs offered to poor countries."

Utter nonsense. Those free trade agreements were in place before the trade war kicked off, not after. Need proof? Check the source, the Chinese government website that lists all the trade agreements China has with other countries.

Summary: China did not lower any tariffs or duties of imports from other non US countries since the trade war started. At least not yet.


China rolls out the red carpet for other countries as it ups tariffs on US goods

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/tra...ffs-on-us-cuts-levies-on-other-countries.html

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Ummm note in beginning of article:

"In a little known fact, Beijing has over the past year lowered duties on goods from countries that compete with America, the think tank said in a recent report."

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Summary: China ...
... imports from countries other than tRumpLand up.

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As well as, all tariffs throughout history have resulted in suffering to the poor and middle class of both nations involved and benefit to those not involved.
 
Not sure if Chinese leaders know this but the Trump administration is actually doing China a big favor with its suicidal tariff circus acts. De-dollarization can now accelerate with far less political hurdles to severely erode the 2 pillars of US power - the Petrodollar and the military. Russia, Iran, Venezuela etc are no longer selling their oil to China for US dollars. Saudi Arabia is rumored to follow suit soon. Russia, China, and India are all hoarding gold. Why do you think that is?

The strength of “petrodollars” as a “pillar” as you claim has been transformed the past several years due to producer origin. The United States is now the largest Crude Oil producer in the world. And by a comfortable margin over Russia and Saudi Arabia. And I’m quite sure that US refiners and wellhead owners are taking US Dollars - NOT Renminbi in exchange. In other words, OPEC production sway and any FX leverage they might have had has been neutered and superseded by the US and Canada.

Look at the hundreds of billions of US Dollars the Russians glom onto every year through laundering (Danske Bank alone provided $226B in US Currency to Russians through laundering in a single year according to Europol).

Several years ago, OPEC fought a price war with US and Canadian shale producers - and lost.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/opec-changing-world
 
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