Trump Faces Bush "Read My Lips--No New Taxes" Moment

pew poll... top issues for Republican voters in order ...
1. economy
2. terrorism
3. immigration


http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/4-top-voting-issues-in-2016-election/

a, now when you think of what made dems crossover in the the blue states...
and your answer must be.

jobs... and the easiest thing we can do to begin to fix the job problem...stop immigration until we have jobs with the benefit of protecting us from terrorism.

b. now you might be interested to see these issues were also the top 3 of top 5 issues for democrats.

so when you add it all up. opposing immigration and creating better jobs are tied up in creating a better economy for non cronies.

Its trump job to 100% oppose the establishment on this. Its why he was hired - stop immigration and bring back jobs.


You can't separate E=MC^2, either, but some factors have more weight.
 
stop immigration and bring back jobs.
The latter is laughable, the structural, read capitalist, forces are too great and cannot be micromanaged.

On the former, here's just one more crack of many...

"Donald Trump is adopting a softer tone on young undocumented immigrants granted work permits through an Obama-era directive that the president-elect has vowed to repeal once he's in the White House.

"Some 740,000 so-called Dreamers have been given a deportation reprieve and other benefits by President Barack Obama through the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which Obama enacted by executive action in 2012. But the status of those young immigrants, who do not have formal legal status, has been in limbo because Trump has said he would overturn Obama's immigration orders.

"In an interview with Time magazine announcing him as "Person of the Year," Trump didn't go into specifics but signaled that he could find a way to accommodate the Dreamers.

"We’re going to work something out that’s going to make people happy and proud,” Trump told the magazine. “They got brought here at a very young age, they’ve worked here, they’ve gone to school here. Some were good students. Some have wonderful jobs. And they’re in never-never land because they don’t know what’s going to happen.”

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Romney promised to bring back jobs. The Reagan democrats ignored him. Why do they love Trump?

I maintain it is more than the economy or jobs. Working class people see up close what the Clinton/Bush/Obama open borders policy has created. Only Trump had the balls to address it. Now he has to follow through.

If he can't stand in front of a honking massive wall come October 2020, he isn't getting reelected.
 
Donald Trump Has Proven Liberals Right About the Tea Party
By Jonathan Chait

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Americans would never support a constitutionally ignorant, deficit-spending, authoritarian crony capitalist.Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

"Time magazine’s profile of Donald Trump, its Man of the Year, notes, “he has little patience for the organizing principle of the Tea Party: the idea that the federal government must live within its means and lower its debts.” What’s astonishing about this sentence, which appears in a generally fascinating and well-done story, is its casual acceptance of the premise that fiscal discipline is, or was, the tea party’s organizing principle.

"When the tea party appeared on the scene in 2009, an intense partisan dispute broke out as to just what this movement represented. Conservatives insisted that what spurred protesters into streets and town halls were the timeless principles of conservative movement thought: advocacy of balanced budgets, adherence to a strict constructionist version of the Constitution, opposition to “crony capitalism,” and skepticism of Keynesian economics. Liberals suggested a different explanation. The tea party was an expression of ethno-nationalist rage centered around a black president and the belief that his coalition stood for redistribution from older, white America to its younger, more diverse supporters. Reports by close students of the phenomenon, like Theda Skocpol and Vanessa Williamson, or Stanley Greenberg, revealed that deep-seated fear of demographic change rather than abstract constitutional or economic principles lay at the heart of the revolt against Obama.

"One could not have devised a sequence of events more perfectly designed to prove the liberal theory of the case than the election of Donald Trump. Here is a politician whose devotion to ethno-nationalism is total, and whose support for “constitutional conservatism” is nonexistent. He openly flouts republican norms, threatening to jail his political opponents and encouraging violence against protesters. When House Republicans begged him at a July meeting to throw them a bone by saying something nice about the country’s founding document, he rambled incoherently (by the on-the-record account of Republicans present at the meeting) and promised to protect the nonexistent “Article 12.”

"Trump is justifying his plans to jack up the deficit on Keynesian grounds (“sometimes you have to prime the pump,” he tells Time), and many have noted the GOP’s sudden reversal on an economic theory it rejected in 2009. But to call this a mere reversal understates the case substantially. Keynesian theory does not advocate deficit spending under all circumstances. It holds that fiscal stimulus is the correct response to a specific, rare emergency: when interest rates are not strong enough to prevent the economy from falling into a liquidity trap. Keynesians can argue about just what conditions are dire enough to justify the strong remedy of deficit spending. 2009 was an easy case, a once-in-a-century catastrophe for which monetary stimulus alone could not hope to suffice. But to support Keynesian stimulus in 2016, with unemployment at 4.6 percent, is a completely different story. That is a circumstance only the most indiscriminate Keynesian — what economists used to call “vulgar Keynesians” — would deem suitable for stimulus. And yet Republicans who rejected stimulus when it was unquestionably necessary have followed Trump’s call to employ it in far murkier circumstances.

"Perhaps Trump’s most comic violation of so-called conservative principle is his blatant favoritism toward individual business firms. Remember the hysterical fears of “crony capitalism,” and even “gangster government,” when the Obama administration subsidized green-energy technology and prevented the collapse of the auto industry in the face of frozen credit markets? Now Trump is happily embracing specific tax favors for firms that allow him to boast he has saved jobs. One can only imagine the horror Republicans would have displayed if Obama threatened retribution against a firm, causing its stock price to tank, after its CEO criticized his policies."

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With respect, you were not a Trump supporter. I am not sure you appreciate how important the wall is to those who stood in line for his rallies.

A minor increase in taxes did not have a huge effect on the economy, but it did destroy Bush's presidency. Because he had chosen to make it his signature issue, it had symbolic importance far out of proportion to its actual effect.

Same with Trump and the wall. Reasonable people can argue that there are better, more cost efficient ways to secure the border. But Trump can't stand in front of some drones and electronic surveillance towers four years from now and say "I promised a wall and I delivered."

There is another factor that his supporters appreciate. If we build that fucking wall, the next president is not going to be able to tear it down. The next president however could easily revert to the Bush/Obama open borders policy in the absence of a wall.

The promise to build the wall certainly was a rally cry, and so was lock her up. People need to learn that what's said on the campaign trail and what actually happens are often very different. He can, and should be strong on stopping illegals. While symbolic, a wall doesn't get the job done anywhere near what enforcing labor law would do. He can strengthen border security, which I'm sure he'll do, and if he goes after employers hiring illegals,(I'm not talking fruit pickers and toilet cleaners, manufacturing in where he needs to focus), that will be a winning combination which over time will satisfy those that may want a wall and wall only. Time will tell, but I think he'll do enough to satisfy all parties, other than those that want open borders, and I couldn't care less whether those people are happy or not.
 
The promise to build the wall certainly was a rally cry, and so was lock her up. People need to learn that what's said on the campaign trail and what actually happens are often very different. He can, and should be strong on stopping illegals. While symbolic, a wall doesn't get the job done anywhere near what enforcing labor law would do. He can strengthen border security, which I'm sure he'll do, and if he goes after employers hiring illegals,(I'm not talking fruit pickers and toilet cleaners, manufacturing in where he needs to focus), that will be a winning combination which over time will satisfy those that may want a wall and wall only. Time will tell, but I think he'll do enough to satisfy all parties, other than those that want open borders, and I couldn't care less whether those people are happy or not.
Open borders is a myth, but if you want to post data to support (no anecdotes, please) I'll look at it. I hope you'll look at the piece I posted re illegal immigration flat-lining under Obama.

"People need to learn that what's said on the campaign trail and what actually happens are often very different." Ok, so those criticisms of Obama's promises... ?
 
All of those measures are necessary but they can be reversed day one of the next president. A 20 foot high wall will be there next century.

"Lock her up" was Trump shit talking and everyone knew it. Build the wall was serious.
 
cherry picked - why lie? it was first on the first google search i did.
immigration and jobs are on the the same coin. there are other jobs coins and immigration coins too. Why do employers favor immigration. one reason is it keeps labor costs down.


You're wrong, Ann. Even jem's cherry picked poll from a half-year ago puts immigration at #3, behind jobs and terrorism.
 
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