Trump Deploys U.S. Military To Southern Border

[UsualName]

meh.

You are looking for a binary answer to match your binary mind.

In the real world, there are complexities. Trump has powers at the border but cannot supplant civilian powers. This was fully discussed yesterday. In addition, although the posse comitas act prohibits certain federal actions.....use of the national guard etc.....it allows for the use of national guard under federal command where THE GOVERNORS OF THE STATE REQUEST OR APPROVE. So obviously that poses different possibilities in Texas and Arizona than for California, as examples. Wayyyy too many factors at play for your binary mind.

In addition, although Trump probably cannot supplant border patrol and civilian arrest and detainment functions, he most likely can use military personnel and resources and intelligence gathering capabilities in support functions. So, again, a complexity that cannot be processed by a binary mind.

In general, you have to see what is support versus direct engagement with illegals and you also have to see what is considered to be short term versus long term. Both Obama and Bush used the military to train border patrol at certain times and the Army Corps of Engineers has been involved in wall design and maintenance at times. Although these functions are outside the core mission of the military they have been allowed/tolerated if it is a transitional or temporary plan. Trump, for example, would probably be on shaky grounds if he announced that the military was going to take over responsibility for the southern border but if he identifies problem spots and says the military will be assigned there while the wall is being built there, then that is another matter.

In addition, the posse comitas act is just legislation. Not constitutional scripture. It can be altered or re-affirmed as needed as part of changing current immigration law to get rid of the some of the foolishness.

I know this is way too complex for the binary mind and you are looking for a bumper sticker answer as to what lies ahead or a bumper sticker answer as to what the feds and the president cannot do. Sorry. This world was not designed for you.

In addition, the posse comitas act would be unconstitutional where it prohibits a president from performing a constitutional mandate to protect the country from foreign forces. As discussed yesterday, mexico needs a good nafta deal so they will disband the caravan clown show, but as a possible/hypothetical if the number headed here was 10,000 rather than 1,000- then not only could the president use troops but he could also send troops into Mexico to disband or contain or capture them there.

All your doing in the first part of this diatribe is agreeing with my original statement on the matter you reactively disagreed with. Like I keep saying, you guys need to start thinking before you start arguing.

As to the president’s ability to protect the country, yes he has a window to start war but that is subject to congress declaring war. Although don’t think I don’t think Trump is not capable of declaring war on Mexico at the drop of a hat. He’s pretty dumb. But that was discussed previously and once again you argued before thinking.

As to the posse comitas statute it absolutely prohibits using the military to enforce domestic law, with exceptions such as at the request of governors and legislative acts. Also, the president can certainly support domestic functions using the military, as I already pointed out to you before was done by Bush and Obama, but not enforce.

I think this goes back to politics being more of a team sport and you wanting to fight over things you agree with.

Trump misrepresented what he can do with the military and illegal immigration because he is either stupid or he thinks his supporters are stupid. Either way, you guys are the suckers that fall for it.

 

[UsualName]

How about you provide some citation that stationing troops on the border is somehow illegal? Do you think we are only allowed to station troops in foreign countries?

They are not engaged in law enforcement. They are protecting the border, a traditional military role. They will set up command posts, observation posts, etc and conduct patrols. They will erect security barriers such as fencing and concertina wire. Anyone attempting to breach such barriers will be shot by robot-controlled machine guns. Ok, only kidding about that last part, at least for now. They could use drone strikes to break up columns of invaders however.

I’m guessing you walk out of the mall and can’t find your car often.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I’m guessing you walk out of the mall and can’t find your car often.

Have you exhausted today's talking points from Soros central HQ?

Not a good day for your side, I understand.


A caravan of Central American migrants whose trek across Mexico infuriated President Donald Trump has decided not to travel to the US border, leaders said Tuesday.

"We will wrap up our work in Mexico City," said Irineo Mujica, the head of the migrant advocacy group People Without Borders (Pueblo sin Fronteras).


https://www.afp.com/en/news/826/migrant-caravan-abandons-plan-travel-us-border-doc-13p1ry3

 

[UsualName]

Have you exhausted today's talking points from Soros central HQ?

Not a good day for your side, I understand.


A caravan of Central American migrants whose trek across Mexico infuriated President Donald Trump has decided not to travel to the US border, leaders said Tuesday.

"We will wrap up our work in Mexico City," said Irineo Mujica, the head of the migrant advocacy group People Without Borders (Pueblo sin Fronteras).


https://www.afp.com/en/news/826/migrant-caravan-abandons-plan-travel-us-border-doc-13p1ry3

Let’s call this a win-win then.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I know this is what you guys were desperately hoping for.





Generate some good visuals. Maybe Ivanka will be moved to tears and then who knows what idiotic policy Trump would favor.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Instead of this.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Mexico is learning a valuable lesson: good fences make good neighbors.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

As to the president’s ability to protect the country, yes he has a window to start war but that is subject to congress declaring war. .

No, if - as in my example, a force of 10,000 rather than 1,000- was approaching the border with the stated intent of entering the country- the president has complete power to take emergency action- including crossing into mexico- without biting off declaring war and all of that. No doubt your ilk would do a lot of legal naval gazing before putting the welcome mat down for them.

 

[UsualName]

No, if - as in my example, a force of 10,000 rather than 1,000- was approaching the border with the stated intent of entering the country- the president has complete power to take emergency action- including crossing into mexico- without biting off declaring war and all of that. No doubt your ilk would do a lot of legal naval gazing before putting the welcome mat down for them.

So I would expect martial law before an actual invasion of Mexico though but here we are back to my original point.

This thread is all buttoned up.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

So I would expect martial law before an actual invasion of Mexico though but here we are back to my original point.
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I dont know why you expect that. We go into other countries for hit and run forays or longer without martial law being a factor.

Wait for your download from the Mothership before trying to go it alone. Gets goofy.

And there is no need for martial law either way. The civilian courts and administrative processes are still open and functioning. Use of troops to assist with federal or local functions does not ipso facto imply that martial law is needed. I covered this yesterday. Start taking notes when others post here.

Again, you are trying to process this with binary thinking. If troops, then martial law. No. It's not like that. Thinking is required to process more than two factors.