Trump delivers again; bans immigration from 7 Muslim countries.
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Ah, my comment was not intended to infer any time pressure to respond. Respond whenever you like if at all.
Exactly. 48% not 57%. That is not even a majority. I am glad we can settle this issue.
Regarding that poll, this also came out. Interesting, huh? Oops.
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Donald Trump’s pro-American immigration reform is getting strong majority support from the public, despite the left’s portrayal of the policy as hateful and incompetent, and despite Democratic voters’ determination to obstruct the new president.
Reuters commissioned the poll and then tried to hide the resulting good news for Trump under a misleading headline, “Exclusive: Only a third of Americans think Trump’s travel ban will make them more safe.”
But the most direct question in the poll showed a seven-point advantage for Trump’s policy, of 48 support to 41 percent opposition.
However, that hard-edged “blocking refugees and banning people” question is not conclusive because most Americans want to help both their fellow Americans and foreign strangers. Americans’ generous attitude ensures that they are often reluctant to show favoritism to their fellow nationals or opposition to foreign migrants. So their hidden views can be teased out by asking indirect questions.
One indirect question used by Reuters’ pollster asked if the United States should “limit the number of refugees allowed into the country.” That question scored 66 percent support to 26 percent opposition, showing overwhelming yet hidden support for Trump’s new policy of welcoming a limited inflow of refugees while excluding hostile migrants.
Better still for Trump, the “strong” support for his refugee-limiting policy was three times as large as the “strong” opposition, 32 percent to 10 percent, and the GOP voters’ response was very similar to the response from swing-voting independents.
Trump’s policy has ignited a debate on refugee inflows from Muslim majority countries. But the core part of Trump’s policy is a shift towards rejection of would-be migrants whose culture and ideas are hostile to Americans’ traditions of personal independence and small government. Here is the critical passage from Trump’s pro-American immigration policy:
In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles. The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including “honor” killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.
The American public’s contradictory emotions slide in various directions, depending on minor changes to questions.
For example, when asked by Reuters’ pollster if the U.S. should “open our borders to refugees of foreign conflicts,” the percentage of respondents strongly supporting an apparently unlimited number of refugees jumped up to 19 percent, almost double the 10 percent in the prior “limit the number of refugees” question.
That question and answer suggests that Americans do not recognize the “open borders” term as a left-wing code-word for mass migration by 100 million people from Africa, Arabia and Asia.
The new poll was conducted by Ipsos polling, from Jan. 30 to Jan. 31, on behalf Thomson Reuters. It included roughly 1,201 adults, with 453 declared Democrats, 478 declared Republicans, and 149 declared independents.
Many polls show that the public wants the federal government to cap or shrink immigration. For example, a September poll by Ipsos showed that only 12 percent of respondents strongly opposed plans to “change the legal immigration system to limit legal immigration.” Four times as many, or 57 percent, back reductions in legal immigration, while 13 percent did not take a position.
In 2016, under policies set by President Barack Obama, roughly one new immigrant or foreign contract-worker joined the U.S. workforce for every two Americans who entered the workforce.
So yes, in summary, all this Hokuspokus for 2 American lives and thanks to that no bans on weapons domestically nor any focus on homegrown terror and violence. It was all a great volley to appease the dumb hard core Trump crowd so that they can feel their desciple is doing something for them. Trump is certainly not doing America a favor but his constituents only. In the meantime we shall continue to see more violence all across America. Especially now that a lot of redneck Nazis feel empowered to torch mosks and all sorts of people who disagree with them. Awesome.
I find this whole ban an awesome smokescreen to hide the really much more important stuff that went down that same week, which was a reshuffle of his national security team and council.
I find this whole ban an awesome smokescreen to hide the really much more important stuff that went down that same week, which was a reshuffle of his national security team and council.
The Rasmussen article stated a majority of Americans. You don't like that poll because it doesn't support your narrative. Then you posted a Reuters poll, but in that poll, more Americans support banning than are against it.
Since the definition of "majority" is "the greater number", then you lose that argument with the Reuters poll as well.
What else you want to try to dance around on? Or perhaps now you don't like the Reuters poll either? And what about the Quinnipiac one I posted? No comment on that one, but I assume you think it's biased too, even though that's a left leaning org.
Yeah, as long as you're willing to admit that it was Obama that selected the countries and signed the bill to ban muslims. Not Trump.
Majority is defined as greater than 50% of respondents favoring someone or something in voting and surveying terms. It is you who changes definitions and dances around definitions. The definitions are clear and hence not a majority of Americans favors the ban on Muslims. For me this case is closed
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Sorry, I provided you the dictionary definition. Are you giving me the volpunter one? Of course for you the case is closed. You want it to be. But you don't get to have your own facts - just your own opinions.