Trump being admitted to Walter Reed Medical Center

And so, agents protecting him should have to put themselves and their families at risk because of an idiot president's vanity and his unquenchable need for attention? You don't have much respect for Secret Service agents, do you? Well, neither does Trump. Thing is, respect works both ways.

You can apply the question of risk to the agents in a number of circumstances.

If Trump decides to go to a rally, that means the agents have an increased risk that someone will act against the President versus if he just stayed home, right? Does this mean he shouldn't go to rallies because of the increased risk to the agents? What about public events like RBG's funeral? Does he put the agents at risk by attending that?
 
...People do mistakenly think masks are protecting them... even if its the other persons mask.

2. it has been established that there is no evidence that masks alone prevent the
transmission of Covid...

I heard this argument often during the HIV crisis about wearing condoms. People arguing that "condoms alone" does not prevent HIV.
  • Therefore, don't wear a condom because it gives you a false sense of security...its not going to protect you and there's no supporting data that verifies condom use prevents HIV or prevents any other sexually transmitted diseases.
It's simple...put the condom on just in case you're wrong and just in case a year from now the data starts showing up that proves wearing a condom is "helpful" in preventing sexually transmitted diseases. :D

Covid-19 is new...they're still learning about it and within the next 1 - 2 years...there will be a flood of data about which face masks worked and which face masks performed poorly in protection against Covid-19.

There will also be more independent data from university research labs beyond what's currently out there.

Regardless, what's up with this "masks alone" bullshit. Wearing face masks doesn't imply you can abandon all other protections. It's like saying "brushing your teeth alone"...

Brushing your teeth alone gives you a false sense of security. You gotta use the right toothbrush, properly brush your teeth, floss, use mouthwash and so on.

Even better, don't sit back and wait for someone to prove something to you. Instead, be proactive and prove or disapprove it yourself.


Remember I told you before in another reply for you to be proactive and do your own Petri Dish tests as my kid did himself for a science project (see 4:21 min mark of the below video). :D

Simply, do not go around infecting others if/when you become positive for Covid-19. Even better, if you don't know you're infected...be socially responsible to those near you via wearing a face mask.


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you are going to need to link to that 90 percent number and see if they have any science behind that...

I guarantee you that is the biggest bullshit you will ever read with respect to Covid transmission.

This is what the 90% number is related to....


Face coverings can reduce COVID-19 transmission risk: study
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-covid-transmission.html

Wearing a face mask or other covering over the mouth and nose reduces the forward distance traveled by an exhaled breath by more than 90 percent, research suggests.

(More at above url)
 
I clicked the link...

no data... that I saw...
where are the contact tracings showing tens of thousands of cases via aerosol transmission?

lots of assumptions..
I will do a bit of research after trading later.


  • Indoors >> outdoors 1, 2

  • Superspreading events (restaurant, choir, bus etc.)

  • Supersp. very similar to known aerosol diseases1

  • Very high R0 (~20) of superspreading 1

  • Poor ventilation helps transmission

  • Similar viruses transmitted via aerosols (SARS-CoV-1, influenza, MERS) 1

  • Virus stays infective in aerosols 1,2,3,4

  • Infectious virus detected 2-5 m from patients 1

  • Importance of close proximity (higher aerosol dose)

  • Consistency of close proximity & room 1

  • Importance of singing / shouting 1,2

  • Demonstrated w/ ferrets 1 & hamsters 2

  • Other pathogens most concentrated in fine aerosols 1

  • Aerosols from AGPs infective1, no reason why lower dose for longer time, no mask, would not infect as demonstrated for TB 2

  • Supermicron aerosols well filtered by well-fitted surgical masks 1

  • Source apportionment studies1,2





This is what the CDC isn’t telling us about the scariest way COVID-19 spreads
https://bgr.com/2020/10/05/coronavirus-transmission-aerosol-spread-explained-face-masks/
  • Aerosol transmission is the worst thing about the novel coronavirus, as it allows the virus to linger in the air and travel long distances indoors.
  • Official guidance from health organizations like the WHO and CDC still says COVID-19 spreads mainly via saliva droplets.
  • Experts on aerosols put together an incredibly comprehensive guide that explains why COVID-19 aerosols are so important to acknowledge, and why face masks and good ventilation are needed to stop aerosols.
  • The data presented by this guide reminds us why being indoors around other people this winter is the next big hurdle in our ongoing battle against the novel coronavirus.
Nine months into the novel coronavirus health crisis and the world is still not out of the woods. Several countries are bracing for the coronavirus second wave, which might coincide with the flu season this winter. The US appears to be heading into a third wave, as the number of daily cases started climbing again in September after a gradual decline that started after the mid-July peak. Some worry that the next peak might be even worse than either of the first two, which is incredible considering how bad things were in the first two waves.

Health experts, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, remind us over and over again about the public health measures that can help people reduce the risk of transmission. Washing hands frequently, maintaining social distance, using face masks, and avoiding crowded places indoors can all reduce the spread COVID-19. It’s not just one thing that helps, but the combination of these factors. That’s because the coronavirus is incredibly infectious and can spread with ease through the air.

Saliva droplets that are ejected during coughs and sneezes can spread in the air and contaminate the surfaces they land on. But it’s the smaller droplets that turn into aerosols that you really need to worry about. Aerosols can linger in the air for longer periods of time and travel longer distances than we previously thought. That’s the worst thing about the coronavirus and one that’s still not properly addressed by health organizations. This is why a team of researchers put together an extensive guide that explains exactly what the risks are when it comes to coronavirus aerosols.

The World Health Organization (WHO) reluctantly acknowledged the airborne spread of COVID-19 when 239 scientists urged the health body to do so. But the WHO still sees droplets as the main transmission risk. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently published and then pulled guidelines about the aerosolized spread of the SARS-CoV-2, saying they were published by mistake.

All this prompted a few aerosol experts from various fields to put together a 57-page document available online in for free via Google Docs. The document contains several chapters that explain in great detail how COVID-19 is transmitted, what aerosol spread is, and what the risks are for several scenarios — like taking a cab, going to school, or flying on an airplane.


The document also explains the type of protection we have against aerosol transmission, and that’s where face masks come in. The researchers discuss several types of masks and use cases for each of them. Ventilation is also a big part of the story. Allowing air to circulate would move the aerosols faster and reduce the risk of transmission. That’s one reason why the risk of catching COVID-19 outdoors is minimal compared to the risk indoors. The document also explains the history of aerosol transmission and why the CDC and WHO are reluctant to address airborne transmission.

Jose-Luis Jimenez is a chemistry professor at the University of Colorado who has studied aerosols for 20 years. He partnered with nine other experts to put together this comprehensive guide about COVID-19 aerosol transmission to compensate for inaction at the WHO and CDC.

Jimenez told MIT Technology Review that he’s been answering aerosol-related questions via email and social media for a while, and people’s questions are often the same. Other experts have said the same thing, so they all decided to combine their research and make it available online in one place. The advantage of having the document shared via Google Docs is that it can be updated with pertinent information in real-time. The scientists say they avoided the traditional routes in order to prevent delays from medical journals. Publishing a study would also prevent them from making changes and updates quickly.

“When we saw it was useful, we made it public. We update the document all the time,” he said. “We’re effectively having to be a little WHO or CDC. We’re saying the things that they should be saying. This is frustrating, but it’s the situation we find ourselves in. These organizations have been flat-out refusing to consider if aerosol transmission is important, which leaves people unprotected. So we feel it’s our duty to communicate directly with the public.”

Even if you don’t read the document in full, Jimenez did provide a great takeaway in his interview with MIT Technology Review, likening aerosol transmission to cigarette smoke:

The thing people need to understand is aerosol transmission is like everyone breathing out cigarette smoke, and you want to breathe in as little of others’ as possible. Everyone you are around, imagine they are breathing smoke, and try to avoid it. It’s not good enough to just give people guidelines; you need to explain the actual science behind it, too.

Avoiding aerosols is a lot like avoiding smoke, with the difference between the two being that you can actually smell smoke. Everyone should aim to breathe in as little air as possible from other people — face masks and ventilation are the best way to achieve that goal when indoors:

The second most important thing is the recommendations section—how to interpret the science for any given situation. Avoid anything that involves breathing in a lot of other people’s breath. Do things outdoors. But the most important things are free. Wear the mask you already have when you are inside public spaces, and open a window. If we did those, transmission would go down dramatically. Things like ventilation and air filtering matter, but the main things we can do cost nothing.


The document is available at this link and it contains links to all the chapters, including the crucial recommendations found in this section.
 
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yeah.. as I suspected...
nothing to do with Covid spread directly..
really a bunch of inapplicable theory... bullshit with a headline.

but we should note this... because this is consistent with OSHA warnings about why surgical masks can be ineffective... the link I gave you 2 days ago.

"Surgical masks and the tested hand-made masks were found to limit the forward flow of expelled breath, but also generate far-reaching leakage jets to the side, behind, above and below. Heavy breathing and coughing, in particular, were shown to generate intense backward jets.

Only masks that form a tight seal with the face were found to prevent the escape of virus-laden fluid particles, the team says."



This is what the 90% number is related to....

Face coverings can reduce COVID-19 transmission risk: study
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-covid-transmission.html

Wearing a face mask or other covering over the mouth and nose reduces the forward distance traveled by an exhaled breath by more than 90 percent, research suggests.

(More at above url)
 
This is what the 90% number is related to....

Face coverings can reduce COVID-19 transmission risk: study
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-covid-transmission.html

Wearing a face mask or other covering over the mouth and nose reduces the forward distance traveled by an exhaled breath by more than 90 percent, research suggests.

(More at above url)

LOL! and I realize you are not making this claim, just providing the supporting link to Usualname's ridiculous claim.

So

Wearing a face mask or other covering over the mouth and nose reduces the forward distance traveled by an exhaled breath by more than 90 percent

somehow = wearing a mask prevents the spread of COVID by up to 90%

despite

However, some of the masks enabled strong jets of air to escape from the back and sides.

and of course

Only masks that form a tight seal with the face were found to prevent the escape of virus-laden fluid particles, the team says.
Which, of course, no one really wears.
 
What Trump is telegraphing his cult is this:.

"It doesn't matter if you get ill, you should not pay attention to quarantine warnings (I didn't) and go on about your day, mask optional"
 
You can apply the question of risk to the agents in a number of circumstances.

If Trump decides to go to a rally, that means the agents have an increased risk that someone will act against the President versus if he just stayed home, right? Does this mean he shouldn't go to rallies because of the increased risk to the agents? What about public events like RBG's funeral? Does he put the agents at risk by attending that?
You are aware, of course, that we are in the midst of a pandemic. That the president tested positive. And that he unnecessarily put his agents at risk to take a stupid joy ride. And you're defending the president?
 
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