Trump attorneys' letter to Mueller spells out legal arguments against Trump sitting down for intervi

[UsualName]

Ahhhh...no. That is not going to work because as usual I see your crabwalk away from what was being discussed.

You are the one who wants to make it all about Trump- until it is not working for you and then you walk to crabwalk away from it.

Yesterday you were all about Trump. Big theories on indictments, legal doctrines about the presidency. Don Jr., Stormy and so on. And then touting how Mr. "Speedy-Pace" Mueller was closing in on Trump through long, heavy-duty investigation and ball-busting indictments of some underlings or alleged associates. Yup, you were all about Trump and every little detail.

Until I asked how many of those underling indictments had to do with russians or russian collusion. Then you had a sudden need to crabwalk away without answering...and then I asked again......and responded by citing the Concord Management case. A case where there is russian involvement but absolutely no indication/suggestion that involves anything that Trump ever did or his associates either. Not exactly the peppiest case to cite to confirm that Mueller is closing in on Trump's russian activities via prosecution of his associates. This isnt CNN here on the forum. You can't indict Trump just by showing some russians were indicted somewhere else on something that did not involve them. And of course, even thought they are indicted, mueller is going to have his hands full getting convictions- so it is probably just a bogus witch-hunting case even without Trump. Mueller trying to get some easy scalps by indicting people who he did not think would defend themselves but were guilty of being russian when he needed russian scalps to compensate for his poor showing in that area.

Again, the notion that it is not all about Trump for you is absurd. It is until you need to crabwalk, then suddenly you want to go into a generic discussion of the threat to this county from Russians. A threat that almost everyone agrees with and expected Obama to do something about it....instead of saying that he left it alone until after the election because it did not want to rock the election boat because it still looked like Hillary was set to win.

Oh, and lest we forget through all the bullshit and crabwalking, there is only one candidate who has been proven to date to have colluded with and hired foreign agents, including current/former kgb agents to help bring down an opposition candidate. And that was Hillary Rodham Clinton.

What you find absurd is of no consequence.

There can be arguments made for whether the president can be indicted without a Russian connection directly to Trump. I’ve always maintained Trump’s biggest liability is obstruction of justice.

To my point that this investigation is bigger than Trump, I purposely cited the concord matter. The idea that mueller is a failure unless he somehow catches Trump redhanded making a deal with Putin to swing the election to him is ABSURD.

Exposing the workings of the Russians in the last election is critically important. Cleaning out all of the Russian sympathizers in the Trump campaign and White House is equally as important. And Mueller is doing just that, rather quickly too.

But at the end of the day you’re worried about the findings more than any democrat.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

I’ve always maintained Trump’s biggest liability is obstruction of justice.

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Yup, and I have always taken the other side of that trade, to wit:

Trump's biggest liability has always been the political fall-out from the massive number of bullshit witch-hunt prosecutions or by being baited into a perjury trap. Mueller's witch hunting license knows no bounds, in fact, the terms of the license are a secret which Rosenstein guards vehemently. In addition, Trump is at risk of going nutty and making a bad move when the impotent witch-hunter tries to kneecap either Jared or Don Jr. because he can't make the kill on the big game.

But in regard to an actual criminal conviction in an Article 3 Court for obstruction of justice. Not gonna happen.

That's fine. We need two-sided markets.

 

[UsualName]

Yup, and I have always taken the other side of that trade, to wit:

Trump's biggest liability has always been the political fall-out from the massive number of bullshit witch-hunt prosecutions or by being baited into a perjury trap. Mueller's witch hunting license knows no bounds, in fact, the terms of the license are a secret which Rosenstein guards vehemently. In addition, Trump is at risk of going nutty and making a bad move when the impotent witch-hunter tries to kneecap either Jared or Don Jr. because he can't make the kill on the big game.

But in regard to an actual criminal conviction in an Article 3 Court for obstruction of justice. Not gonna happen.

That's fine. We need two-sided markets.

Again, you’re making this a Trump or nothing scenario. If Kushner or Don Jr violated any laws while trying to get Trump elected they need to stand for that as individuals.

Saying that unless Mueller makes “the big kill” the investigation is a witch hunt is totally invalid. The point of the investigation is to uncover and prosecute any Russian interference in the election with relation to the Trump campaign.

As to a criminal conviction for obstruction, that may very well depend on what Trump has to offer.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Again, you’re making this a Trump or nothing scenario. If Kushner or Don Jr violated any laws while trying to get Trump elected they need to stand for that as individuals.

Correct, I am making it about Russian campaign connections and trumps involvement therein or in regard to obstruction of justice - the reasons a special counsel was appointed. To get convictions on Kushner of Jared in regard to duetch bank loans five years ago or to try for a conviction on perjury because Trump lied about Stormy's bra size are just witch-hunting efforts that compensate for Mueller not being able to make the big kill. Everyone sees that - and if he does not make the big kill- he has another failure to add to his previous ones.

You are trying to help him by arguing that a pile of pussy charges and indictments can be cobbled together to compensate for what everyone knows that this all about. THEY CAN'T. Mueller is supposed to be the big scary swinging dick. Fine. Let's see the big prosecution on the big man then. Oh, that's right. He is giving Mannafort an extra pounding today. Yup. We see that. We also see that he is not Trump.

 

[UsualName]

Correct, I am making it about Russian campaign connections and trumps involvement therein or in regard to obstruction of justice - the reasons a special counsel was appointed. To get convictions on Kushner of Jared in regard to duetch bank loans five years ago or to try for a conviction on perjury because Trump lied about Stormy's bra size are just witch-hunting efforts that compensate for Mueller not being able to make the big kill. Everyone sees that - and if he does not make the big kill- he has another failure to add to his previous ones.

You are trying to help him by arguing that a pile of pussy charges and indictments can be cobbled together to compensate for what everyone knows that this all about. THEY CAN'T. Mueller is supposed to be the big scary swinging dick. Fine. Let's see the big prosecution on the big man then. Oh, that's right. He is giving Mannafort an extra pounding today. Yup. We see that. We also see that he is not Trump.

You don’t know what Mueller is charging or referring or not against Kushner and Lil Trump. He does have a “plain site” responsibility as a law enforcement officer though so if that’s your problem then take it up with standing law enforcement practices.

Next time some cops bust in a door looking for drugs and stumble on some murder evidence I expect you’ll be outside of the police station with a picket sign demanding the murderer’s release. Or not.

I’m guessing not.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Next time some cops bust in a door looking for drugs and stumble on some murder evidence I expect you’ll be outside of the police station with a picket sign demanding the murderer’s release. Or not.

Oh, we got the fact that in a valid investigation you come across other crimes along the way. At some point though you need to produce on the main allegations and not try to keep your appointment as a special counsel alive just to use it as a general fishing license. So far, Mueller's got a whole bevy of side issues but he was not appointed just because he didn't like being retired and the FBI needed another general agent to find general crimes.

It is clear that he is entitled to act on side crimes along the way, but at a certain point- already reached- he needs to produce on the main issues or stand down. He was not appointed to just free-lance to find crimes if he is not able to get anything on trump.

Howz he coming along with charging Trump with any crimes? Oh, I see. Not there yet but might have Popadopolis on saying that he drank a coke when it was actually a pepsi, and Manafort on something unrelated to Trump. Got it.

 

[RRY16]

If Trump had originally hired the law firm of Poindexter, Jem and Frog, he wouldn’t be in such a mess.

 

[UsualName]

Oh, we got the fact that in a valid investigation you come across other crimes along the way. At some point though you need to produce on the main allegations and not try to keep your appointment as a special counsel alive just to use it as a general fishing license. So far, Mueller's got a whole bevy of side issues but he was not appointed just because he didn't like being retired and the FBI needed another general agent to find general crimes.

It is clear that he is entitled to act on side crimes along the way, but at a certain point- already reached- he needs to produce on the main issues or stand down. He was not appointed to just free-lance to find crimes if he is not able to get anything on trump.

Howz he coming along with charging Trump with any crimes? Oh, I see. Not there yet but might have Popadopolis on saying that he drank a coke when it was actually a pepsi, and Manafort on something unrelated to Trump. Got it.

So you’re admitting to being impatient and have no qualms with Mueller moving on referrals. Great, so in actuality it’s not a witch hunt, just you want fast food justice.

Hit a drive through then because this investigation is going to take a little while longer.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Hit a drive through then because this investigation is going to take a little while longer.

Yeh, it is going to go until Mueller can get something on Trump. So far not looking good but Ivanka may have lied about her bra size.

This is called a witch hunt.

Mueller can't do the deed with Trump so like a little pussy he is just hoping for a new house composition and then dump a bunch of shit on to them for impeachment. What a pussy. An idiot who has a long history of starting to spin on side issues when he cannot do the deed on the main issue.
http://www.newsweek.com/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-aides-criticize-722670

 

[UsualName]

Yeh, it is going to go until Mueller can get something on Trump. So far not looking good but Ivanka may have lied about her bra size.

This is called a witch hunt.

Mueller can't do the deed with Trump so like a little pussy he is just hoping for a new house composition and then dump a bunch of shit on to them for impeachment. What a pussy. An idiot who has a long history of starting to spin on side issues when he cannot do the deed on the main issue.
http://www.newsweek.com/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-aides-criticize-722670

I see you get your ideas of justice from McHannity’s drive through. You’ve been eating double whoopers for too long.