Trump Approval Rating Plummeting Even Among White Voters In Fox News Poll

[TreeFrogTrader]

You rationalise being lorded over and shaken down as a good thing. If I was born in the US, I'd be in the similar situation I guess.

Sounds like you need a hug.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Sounds like you need a hug.

Free shrug.

 

[UsualName]

Which demonstrates what a needless nightmare the country has been put through with this overblown, convoluted program.

Instead of something like Obamacare, McCain's plan offered protection for pre-existing conditions and allowing then subsidies for people just go off and buy their own plan. How many times have we been around the barn to just come back to that, which as you say, is at the core of what people wanted. Then once Obamacare was adopted, people started saying that the pre-existing condition thing that what they really liked and they were falsely believed that the whole Obamacare monstrosity was the only way they could get it. You mentioned Maine. Maine, for example already had guaranteed issue for pre-existing conditions and Washington state too, I believe.

Then you mentioned that Medicaid expansion was popular. Well, Medicaid is Medicaid. It is flat out single payor and could have just been voted as a stand alone without the rest of the confusing monstrosity. Obamacare added absolutely no design or delivery improvements to Medicaid, just money. So the two things that people liked the most, really were not creatures of Obamacare and could have been voted on outside of obamare. All the complicated, convoluted stuff that Obamacare created is the source of all the factors that were/are hated.

Incidently, before people start throwing the obligatory darts alleging that I am saying something from Breibart or whatever, take the time to note that no one sees the points I am making more clearly than Bernard Sanders. His proposal for single payer is basically just a Medicaid (not medicare) For All plan. He is saying that is the only part that people on the left like (which includes pre-existing) is the single payer piece and the rest of obamare is just a convoluted mess scheduled to implode anyway.

Of course this was always part of the lefty plan anyway. The plan was "democrats and some others may not be ready for single payer now, but they will be after eight years of Obamacare they will be." Well, here we are. A big problem for republicans for sure BUT an even bigger problem for the DNC and its next crop of drones. Bernie is out there campaigning every day and has never stopped and he is willing to take the whole democratic party down to leave a legacy of being "the founder of American single payer health care."

This is good. I would disagree that it was some sort of long term plan designed to fail and usher in single payer. Look at all the reforms we’ve had to make to social security and Medicare. These types of plans need regular adjustments. Something like the ACA is no different in that regard.

The big problem with this issue is republicans are not trying to reform healthcare, they are trying to pay off the wealthy by cutting the taxes in ACA and reducing the protections and coverages. The approach this congress has taken has been completely dishonest.

The latest bipartisan effort by Murray and Cornyn(?) has been rejected by the White House and the House even though it would give more flexibility to states and save the government more than 2 billion.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

This is good. I would disagree that it was some sort of long term plan designed to fail and usher in single payer. Look at all the reforms we’ve had to make to social security and Medicare. These types of plans need regular adjustments. Something like the ACA is no different in that regard.

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All plans require adjustments just as you said.

If they are basically supported and accepted by the public- as has been true of social security and medicare. But the level of acceptance for obamare - or rather non-acceptance- has been in a class of ugly all by itself. Obamare has only survived this long because it is so difficult to eliminate any government program once it has been enacted - regardless of whether it is good or bad. As Ronald Reagan said : "A government program is the closest thing to immortality that there is."

Hillary got caught in a pickle where Obama did nothing to fix problems along the way. The dems argue that he did not have congress with him but he could have devised a solid plan as to what needed to be done to fix it and then campaigned hard on it with Clinton when she was running- instead of a bunch of generic comments about how it need adjustments. He assumed that Hillary was going to be elected and that he would just dump it on to her. Hillary did not dare to distance herself too much from Obama's legacy but also did not dare to start talking too aggressively about how it needed to be changed because that started sounding dangerously close to supporting what Bernie was saying.

The rest is history.