Trendfollowers: When oh when are we going to start making some $$$?

mizhael,

I would not have too high hopes. As soon as you ask those guys to clarify you get even more confusing statements.

Or do you seriously think, someone using " natural reoccurring support and resistance oscillations" knows their stuff about trading? Or how about "constant (capped) volume bar charts"? What about "choppy idiosyncratic price moves"?

If it smells like snake oil, sounds like snake oil, then it probably is.......

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How do you judge "consolidation" programmatically?
 
Quote from asiaprop:

My experience is that markets never purely trade based on technicals nor fundamentals, alone. I am most successful tuning my model that is based on pure price action to fit the fundamental environment we are in. A lot of guys who are trained engineers or CS type of people search for the holy grail expecting they can tame the market with their perfectionist mind sets. They believe a fully automated trading model is the pinnacle of what can be achieved. I beg to disagree. I have not seen anyone who struck it rich on the back of a fully automated system (but then I also have never met Jim Simons, but how many of his kind are out there?). However, there are countless successful traders who utilize technology to serve their approach to trading trends. They dont trend trade in one environment and become faders in another environment. They know when to sit on their hands and when to push size because the markets are telling them. They make discretionary adjustments to their models but they dont change their whole trading style, at least I have seen this happening only very rarely.

My point is this: Just because currently markets are not exhibiting trending properties does not mean they wont trend again. We just came out of a multi day basing pattern after a huge multi week sell-off, with flash-crash in between, BP, less liquidity in the markets partly due to the World Cup, and daily political intervention from Europe. Those are all fundamental factors yet they directly impact prices and price moves, however, not in the way on which your models were tested and calibrated. There is nothing wrong with intervening in your model in a sense to tweak leverage multiples, because it does not directly affect the algorithms but merely how much skin you want to have in the market. I simple reduce when we start basing, which lowers my losses in whipsaw market environments, though I may miss being fully exposed in case the trend continues without correction. I always trade from a defensive mindset, protecting trading capital is the absolute highest priority for me. There are times when to stick it all out and there are times when its better to reduce, and a trend following system CANNOT TELL YOU THAT. Only a trained mindset to listen to the fundamental data will enable you to successfully adjust.

And excellent example is BP. It was an excellent trade and I captured some early on (but got out way too early). Why did I get out even though the trend was unbroken at that time? Because the more politicians entered the game the more BP prices turned into a pure coin flip. In the past 2 weeks prices could have gone up or down 10%. (and they sometimes did). This is not the type of environment I thrive in. The edge was early on and I played it, and I simply move on to other names. Same with the broad market. When we move into a basing pattern there is nothing you can predict to happen anymore at least not with statistical conviction. Whats the point to stay fully exposed to a market that with very high probability will begin to whipsaw. Adjust your models but dont change your whole approach to the markets, I guess, is what I am trying to say.

It's hard. Every time I got huge loss and reduced my leverage/risk, I missed big rebounce; and everytime I added to my size after some wins, then my portfolio plunged...
 
run your current trend following system but start by reversing the leverage. You want to bet large when you are in the beginning stages of a trend, but with every subsequent move the probability of a rebound, no matter how pronounced, increases, so with each subsequent move you may want to reduce leverage. You partly miss out on some of the final breakdowns but this is anyway not the business I am in. I want to take a fairly large chunk on good leverage out of the principal move. Think about it and try to make those changes in your back test and see what you get. This is one of the basic ideas in my money and risk management building blocks which are part of my trending system.

Quote from mizhael:

It's hard. Every time I got huge loss and reduced my leverage/risk, I missed big rebounce; and everytime I added to my size after some wins, then my portfolio plunged...
 
Quote from mizhael:

How do you judge "consolidation" programmatically?

Here is my indicator for Tradestation and installation instructions . . . for free.

Consolidation is read specifically as outlined in my post toward the beginning of the thread.

My chart increments are 7,49, 343, 2401, 16807, 117649, 823543 & 5764801. I do this to replace chart times. I also run dual data streams in each chart.

Example: eMini S&P - Slow Intraday (16807/117649)
Fast Intraday (2401/16807)
Scalp - (343/2401)
 

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Quote from ProfLogic:

I have a link to a thread here on ET that outlines the entire process. I'll look for it and post it. As I stated earlier, you should be able to validate any method from free information. If you can't then it should raise a red flag.
Only trust what you can verify through your own sweat equity.

Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one . . . it's just that some pass the smell test better than others.

I am interested in taking a look and backtest your idea...
 
lol, how much more fitted to the curve does it get? LOL. Did you pull those parameters out of your arse or could it be this are the numbers you get to max out on your backtested p&l over the past months/years? ;-)

P.S.: Dont mention each time "its free", its what people do who have something to sell!!!


Quote from ProfLogic:

Here is my indicator for Tradestation and installation instructions . . . for free.

Consolidation is read specifically as outlined in my post toward the beginning of the thread.

My chart increments are 7,49, 343, 2401, 16807, 117649, 823543 & 5764801. I do this to replace chart times. I also run dual data streams in each chart.

Example: eMini S&P - Slow Intraday (16807/117649)
Fast Intraday (2401/16807)
Scalp - (343/2401)
 
Quote from asiaprop:

you teaching tells all. But sounded convincing that you went back to full time "trading" -> translation: Nobody bought my snake oil BS anymore. Yes, enough said!!!

What's your name asiaprop? I'm coming to HK this fall for vacation, wanna hang meat?
 
Quote from Stockta:

The prof is in rare form this evening. Must be mr. Nice guy today.
He can't make one live call nor post one iota of proof that he ever made a profitable trade in his life. Just rhetoric over and over.
The perfect system. The nobel prize. The trend is every move. Come on ladies. You still listening to this hijacked thread.

You know all about hijacking don'tcha Mr. Goodboy. How's your long call on the Euro working for you from what . . . 1.3666? Back to stalking posters on ET since Bernie cut off your visitation rights? Got to love it when YOUR guru is sitting in prison huh!
 
Quote from asiaprop:

lol, how much more fitted to the curve does it get? LOL. Did you pull those parameters out of your arse or could it be this are the numbers you get to max out on your backtested p&l over the past months/years? ;-)

P.S.: Dont mention each time "its free", its what people do who have something to sell!!!

Your intelligence is showing again. You can't even see those are derived from 7, a prime number? You can't curve fit objective rules putz. Of course you can't comprehend anything past an insult can you.
 
Time for bed. Some of us have to get up to trade.
Stockta just needs to sniff out some more widow and orphan money so he can pay for his toy account at the Blue Store and asiaprop needs to find a new ginkgo and omega 3 supplier, his current one is selling him placebos.
 
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