Trend lines or indicators

Quote from 9999:

I like Tarot cards better.
On the other hand, you could use a ball as a weapon, for bowling, etc...
To the OP: jokes aside, it's really a matter of personal preference.

Surely preference must have little to do with it. Some approaches must be superior to others. It might be very hard to establish though. If it was a matter of preference, it would imply that all approaches are equally successful or not as the case may be and we know that this is not the case. The question is how to establish which approach increases the odds of success.
 
Quote from MAESTRO:

That is what I meant in my facetious remark ...

How can you use fundamental analysis in short term trading. Does the local/market maker use fundamentals??
 
Quote from gifropan:

How can you use fundamental analysis in short term trading. Does the local/market maker use fundamentals??

Who said fundamentals? I did not say it ... I don't care about fundamentals at all!
 
Quote from MAESTRO:

Who said fundamentals? I did not say it ... I don't care about fundamentals at all!

I thought one relied either on technical or funcamental analysis. What other options are there?
 
Quote from gifropan:

I thought one relied either on technical or funcamental analysis. What other options are there?

Sentiment, Psychology, Statistical Arbitrage, Zero Cost Option Constructs etc. TA and FA are from the Stone Age!
 
Quote from MAESTRO:

Sentiment, Psychology, Statistical Arbitrage, Zero Cost Option Constructs etc. TA and FA are from the Stone Age!

T & A is the weapon of choice.
 
Quote from gifropan:

Surely preference must have little to do with it. Some approaches must be superior to others. It might be very hard to establish though. If it was a matter of preference, it would imply that all approaches are equally successful or not as the case may be and we know that this is not the case. The question is how to establish which approach increases the odds of success.

Good question, and I'd like to know the answer as well.
When it comes to trading firms, banks, etc. I agree with you. But for a small retail fry like myself, I really believe personal preference plays a big part.
 
Quote from MAESTRO:

Sentiment, Psychology, Statistical Arbitrage, Zero Cost Option Constructs etc. TA and FA are from the Stone Age!

I hear what you are saying but I thought techincal analysis covered Psychology, Statistical Arbitrage, Zero Cost Option Constructs etc and any other factors affecting the price hence the adage "its all in the price"
 
the 2 tls tools I use are the Standard Error Channel and Fibonacci tool

while MAs can be considered tls, indicators can't project Price and Time
targets which is one of the major functions of tls in my methodology

however it depends what and how you're trading since from my pov the
application of tls is manual, trying to draw tls on thousands of stocks is
impractical even with auto tl indicators

if you're trading futures intraday here's one thread illustrating the combined
use of tls and indicators:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113044
 
Quote from gifropan:

I am interested to have Elite Traders' audience opinion on the following subjects:

Are trend lines more reliable that indicators?

Quite a few technical indicators seem to produce many false signals in quiet, non trending markets, especiallty on intraday charts. Trendlines, drawn from correct points (and that is the difficult part), seem to be more reliable and less prone to false signals. Interested to know your opinion on this and which one do you prefer.

Bob

From your statement, I imply that you prefer trendlines over indicators. For discretionary trading, I think it is a matter of preference. A discretionary trader will use whichever he has the most success with, whatever the reasons may be.

I also prefer trendlines. I found that indicators easily distract me from analyzing intraday action. Even volume analysis, often not thought of as an indicator, can be too noisy for my own trading. When I just focused on bar charts, drew some well-thought out trendlines, and watched how the market reacted around these levels, I started to have greater success in reading the short-term action and picking my spots to trade these moments.
 
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