Trend Follower John Henry Assets Drop 80% In Year!!!

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Trading success will elude you until you change the rigidity of your belief system. You're full of untruths and duplicities.

Your pal Neiderhoffer employs a long delta, short gamma strat that's all about a continued rise in SPX accompanied by shallow corrections. To wit, he dropped 30% in a single month last year as stocks made a relatively mild counter trend concession in price.

When market's are readjusting valuations they trend. If participant's feel there's value in a small range of prices, markets chop. That's all there is to it.

Further any mathematician will tell you it's easy to "prove" trends. Do you think if I took the number of up ticks vs. down ticks of all U.S. stock and bond prices from 1983-1999 that there was a "random" preponderance of "up" data? Get real.

Trends in both the micro and macro are so prevalent in fact that I'd argue it's faders who are in fact seeking the "black swan". No doubt a flaw in most us is the willingness to explore the already known. :)

Old prices are like old friends. A fellow trader once described bond prices as like a soap opera. You can miss them for 6 months but the plot's easy to pick up again. Having the confidence to be initiative in terra incognita rather than be responsive is what trading is about.

Anywhere know where in Boca, this guy's outfit is based? He's hard to find. Address?
 
if hes a trend follower with every Market average worldwide breaking out

the dollar breaking lower vs every currency worldwide

and the metals/ oils/ commodities all breaking all time highs


what trend is this guy losing money in ????


i understand volatility is dead...but i dont see other "legends" closing shop
 
this guy averages down his trades (to some extend) to exploit the perceived negative serial correlation with trend following strategies... he had a reputation in the past of digging himself out from holes faster than most other trend followers...

guess it can work both ways...
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Trading success will elude you until you change the rigidity of your belief system. You're full of untruths and duplicities.

Your pal Neiderhoffer employs a long delta, short gamma strat that's all about a continued rise in SPX accompanied by shallow corrections. To wit, he dropped 30% in a single month last year as stocks made a relatively mild counter trend concession in price.

When market's are readjusting valuations they trend. If participant's feel there's value in a small range of prices, markets chop. That's all there is to it.

Further any mathematician will tell you it's easy to "prove" trends. Do you think if I took the number of up ticks vs. down ticks of all U.S. stock and bond prices from 1983-1999 that there was a "random" preponderance of "up" data? Get real.

Trends in both the micro and macro are so prevalent in fact that I'd argue it's faders who are in fact seeking the "black swan". No doubt a flaw in most us is the willingness to explore the already known. :)

Old prices are like old friends. A fellow trader once described bond prices as like a soap opera. You can miss them for 6 months but the plot's easy to pick up again. Having the confidence to be initiative in terra incognita rather than be responsive is what trading is about.


thanks for the lucid reply, pabst, hope all is well. Yes, ofcourse, an upward drift in equities can easily be shown--- i have no argument here. however, trend following concepts, when tested in equities show results no better than random entries. other than this, i agree with your thoughts for the most part.

regards,
surf
 
Quote from Drock409:

if hes a trend follower with every Market average worldwide breaking out

the dollar breaking lower vs every currency worldwide

and the metals/ oils/ commodities all breaking all time highs


what trend is this guy losing money in ????


i understand volatility is dead...but i dont see other "legends" closing shop

easier said than done.

have you seen gold/metals personally?

have you seen crude lately?

even this past month on ES, nasdaq, etc... Have you seen them personally?

Seen RBOB? Seen Natural Gas?

How about soybeans before this past breakout?

How about Hong Kong and other international markets.

Not trending markets. They are chopping, and nothing is easy about any of it.

Despite some notable US equities breaking out (ie AAPL, RIMM, etc.) if you weren't along for the several week ride, you missed the boat.

Maybe if you bought the Dow and held you've done well.
 
Quote from scriabinop23:

easier said than done.

have you seen gold/metals personally?

have you seen crude lately?

even this past month on ES, nasdaq, etc... Have you seen them personally?

Seen RBOB? Seen Natural Gas?

How about soybeans before this past breakout?

How about Hong Kong and other international markets.

Not trending markets. They are chopping, and nothing is easy about any of it.

Despite some notable US equities breaking out (ie AAPL, RIMM, etc.) if you weren't along for the several week ride, you missed the boat.

Maybe if you bought the Dow and held you've done well.

Puny position limit sizes keep big funds like Henry out of traditional commodities. Grain limits are 3million bushels in each delivery month. Not big enough for the mega manager. Hence those Goliath funds are forced into FX, Treasuries (where there's been no trend or volatility) and index products.

No doubt smaller more nimble trend followers have found some opportunities the past couple of years in energies, Cocoa and Corn. I agree though, it's always' easier with 20/20 hindsight.....
 
Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Puny position limit sizes keep big funds like Henry out of traditional commodities. Grain limits are 3million bushels in each delivery month. Not big enough for the mega manager. Hence those Goliath funds are forced into FX, Treasuries (where there's been no trend or volatility) and index products.

.. "Forced" into trading markets disadvantageous to their customers? "Forced" to skip markets that would benefit their customers?.. How exactly is excessive size (ie, feepiggery) "forced" upon a fund manager?
 
Quote from Rodney King:

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Puny position limit sizes keep big funds like Henry out of traditional commodities. Grain limits are 3million bushels in each delivery month. Not big enough for the mega manager. Hence those Goliath funds are forced into FX, Treasuries (where there's been no trend or volatility) and index products.

.. "Forced" into trading markets disadvantageous to their customers? "Forced" to skip markets that would benefit their customers?.. How exactly is excessive size (ie, feepiggery) "forced" upon a fund manager?

I suggest you read Kovner's interview in the first Schwager book. Kovner used to trade copper. Well. Caxton got to big for copper futures. Trading copper at size small enough to avoid liquidity concerns was a non-starter for a billion dollar fund. Is making 10 million an effective use of 1 billion. Hardly.

I agree though that making 10 beats the hell out of losing 300.
 
Quote from scriabinop23:

easier said than done.

have you seen gold/metals personally?

have you seen crude lately?

even this past month on ES, nasdaq, etc... Have you seen them personally?

Seen RBOB? Seen Natural Gas?

How about soybeans before this past breakout?

How about Hong Kong and other international markets.

Not trending markets. They are chopping, and nothing is easy about any of it.

Despite some notable US equities breaking out (ie AAPL, RIMM, etc.) if you weren't along for the several week ride, you missed the boat.

Maybe if you bought the Dow and held you've done well.

Exactly the Dow the chinese, Russian stock markets and some of the currencies AUD/USD, AUD/JNY etc apart from that very choppy everything is im ranges from crude to gold to corn

Cheers
 
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