Trading with borrowed funds

qlai said:
You are correct assuming that your goal is to maximize amount of money you can make. There are lots of talented traders who tried to manage OPM and the aggravation was not worth it for them personally.
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borrowing != managing OPM though, and shouldn't be thought of as such. It is just increasing leverage on your own trading beyond what your broker will give you. If increased leverage is appropriate then it should not be a source of aggravation regardless of the source of that leverage.
 
nooby_mcnoob said:
For me, I feel like I want my friends and family to benefit from my success.

Fortunately, my family are thieving, lying dickheads and my friends are already successful on their own.

So it's all mine!
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How about your buddies from elitetrader.com here? We are not thieving lying dickheads but we are not successful on our own either. Can we benefit from your success? :p
 
Here in the Nordic countries one may borrow zero collateral unsecured personal loan of up $53,000 on a 10-12 years duration for ~4.5% annual interest rate. One may pay back the loan in advance without any penalty fees. If your salary allows it one may get multiple loans.
 
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qlai said:
My friend asked me once if I would consider trading his money and I said : “Until I can trade consistently, I can’t take your money. Once I trade consistently, I don’t want your money.” There are exceptions to that, but for most non-professional traders, I would be interested to hear why this doesn’t hold true.
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If you got to that point, why not spread the wealth?
 
As many people expressed here, it's just asking for headaches and broken/soured relationships. It's a life style choice. Friends and family are usually not sophisticated enough to know the difference between absolute and risk-adjusted returns. They may say something like - I quadrupled my money on bitcoin while you are barely keeping up with indices, etc. They also may need the money back ASAP for personal reasons, like buying a car or going on vacation, or watching Cramer. Sophisticated investors, on the other hand would not normally give their money to a one-trick pony, imho(unless as a personal favor).
The only reason, imho, to manage other people money is if your strategy produces consistent "modest" returns but is very scalable. This way, you benefit because it takes you the same effort running 1MM as 100MM+. But if your strategy is not very scalable, I think you better off just growing your money on your own with help of broker's leverage (or , as the topic on this thread - other sources of low cost borrowing).

DblArrow said:
If you got to that point,
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I have not.
 
I neither was nor am in the favour of taking loan for trading. Trading with a loan can cause stress anxiety not only while trading but also after trading if the trades are lost. It is better to trade with margin than trading with a loan.
 
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