Trading with a Stop Loss in the Futures Market is for Losers

Quote from Visaria:

Emg, does:

HFT = High Frequency Trading = highly educated trader

imply

LFT = Low frequency trader = low educated trader?


:D

Btw, i use NO leverage in trading. I don't see the need. In fact, I'm under leveraged!!!!

LFT = retail traders

also, those using some features of their trading platforms (irrespective of which one, one chooses) have some automation features, that allow them to conditionally pre-position orders based on an acceptible and selectable criterion

incidently, there are reports that a number or firms using automation were prepositioned with massive sell short orders in advance of that event...

nothing beats suspicion like paranoia or confirmation....
 
94.2% of applicants fail to get into Harvard. They just Fail!!!!!




nvm, higher education was a different thread

Just thought it was funny in relation to "90% of small traders lose "

Oldtime got it right, 95% fail at everything they try, just don't wake up tomorrow :D :D

I think the difference is, who quits trying and who doesn't.

have to go adjust my stops now:)
 
Quote from limitdown:

take that same day, on any contract that was heavily effected (YM, ES, NQ, etc.), and do a 30sec or 1min chart and widen it out and suppose that during those fractions of the second within the 13:09 pm EST/DST that the drop occurred,

what do you see, that completely ruins your (not being insulting, but overly simplistic expectation) of a clean OCO showing a trade opened and closed within 1 min and showing an anticipated max target gain.

let me suggest that you count the ticks on those horrid retraces that occurred during the drops, they exceeded 22 ticks on most contracts in some cases and in almost all cases of the retraces exceed the usual 10 ticks and even the generous 15 ticks....

so what would happen is one would be in, confirmed short, and more likely than anticipated, get wiped out with their max stop loss instead of their max target...

also,

there's something called "line trader", which auto submits a pre-arranged direction trade if that line in the sand is breached.

one could have had that under that linear regression channel you showed, which would have triggered a short on that break in the channel that your elipse highlights...

that's one LFT (low frequency trade) method that would have been fast enough to have caught that, sharp market drop.

but then again, that's talking strategy, and, quite frankly has is own universe of risk, that usually exceeds one's trading risk tolerances

In my case posted TA showed short BEFORE the actual drop and thus no slippage would occur as well as price never ticked any much above the hypothetical entry.

All a matter of timing. :)
 
Quote from Zr1Trader:

94.2% of applicants fail to get into Harvard. They just Fail!!!!!




nvm, higher education was a different thread

Just thought it was funny in relation to "90% of small traders lose "

Oldtime got it right, 95% fail at everything they try, just don't wake up tomorrow :D :D

I think the difference is, who quits trying and who doesn't.

have to go adjust my stops now:)

Word!
 
Quote from Bob111:

which one? we had one yesterday.according to hftvol he made a fortune off it.after the fact and without any proof obviousy :)

I don't know any HFT firms myself. Just rumours, that's all.
 
Quote from Zr1Trader:

94.2% of applicants fail to get into Harvard. They just Fail!!!!!




nvm, higher education was a different thread

Just thought it was funny in relation to "90% of small traders lose "

Oldtime got it right, 95% fail at everything they try, just don't wake up tomorrow :D :D

I think the difference is, who quits trying and who doesn't.

have to go adjust my stops now:)

True. 95% always look for the easy road and shortcuts. God bless them. :) otherwise, the competition will be even harder. :D
( i just wouldn't say "at everything", I would say at everything worthwhile. Eventually they settle and get on.)
 
70+ pages on no stops in the futures market. I started a thread like this a while back and when you say "no stop" it really brings folks out of the woodwork. FWIW, I agree with the OP but only to a point. If your stops are physically located near the market you're going to get "randomized" into guaranteed losses. That being said, a disaster stop, away from the market, is absolutely mandatory. My stops for routine losses are 100% mechanical (mental) and my disaster stop is 100% physical.

A mental stop near the market lets you control your trade whether for profit or loss. You just have to know when a trade isn't going to work and cut it. The disaster stop prevents you from getting crushed in 5-sigma event or when you have a lapse in discipline -- which happens to everyone. The 100% of the time disciplined trader doesn't exist.

I've been trading futures for well over 20 years and I'd never put a physical stop near the market. You might as well just put your head under the guillotine.

Trading platforms come with reverse buttons too, right?
 
yes of course. you need to take into account the "volatility" of the time frame of the asset you are trading, knowing that that volatility is not constant (fast, slow market). if you place it too tight and enter without the needed precision you will be taken out mathematically..

but if one uses very high leverage, i think mechanical makes sense, it forces you to enter very well into your position.

i also mostly use mental stops because i don t use very high leverage (aiming at x10 max).
 
You bring up a very important point -- volatility. This is thee single most important market statistic that I track and I track it in every time frame and compare the measure of volatility from one time frame to another. Ignoring this statistic is like trading with tunnel vision. You need that peripheral perspective and knowing what to do in each market, based on volatility is crucial!

Quote from lemarche:

yes of course. you need to take into account the "volatility" of the time frame of the asset you are trading, knowing that that volatility is not constant (fast, slow market). if you place it too tight and enter without the needed precision you will be taken out mathematically..

but if one uses very high leverage, i think mechanical makes sense, it forces you to enter very well into your position.

i also mostly use mental stops because i don t use very high leverage (aiming at x10 max).
 
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