I had nearly deserted this thread because it had become so loopy, but am very happy to swerve off and turn it into a discussion about the merits of buying or renting.
Quote from freealways:
Early on in this thread Patrick stated that he lives in London and will buy a house when he can pay for it in cash. So, until that time,
he intends to rent.
Patrick, it may be worthwhile to consider buying now for several reasons :
1. you are buying a house with after tax money. So the more prices go up the more money you need to make (and save as after-tax money) to cover the increases in the purchase price of a house.
In fact house prices may be going up faster than you can save the house price increases.
I owned property since '92 in London, and sold my last house in '01. I sold it because I was sick to death of all the dinner party chat and general fat-headedness of owners. I figure in London prices have gone up 200-250% in 10 years. Of course most home owners never seem to realise that the rises actually make it ever harder for them to climb that wretched 'ladder', as the spread in real terms between their existing 3 bed flat and much dreamed of 4 bed house gets ever wider. But my breaking point was when a friend told me I was lunatic not to be in the market, that she could NEVER envisage a time that property prices would fall in London, that it just was not possible ...
2. As you are paying rent anyway what is so much different with paying interest on a home loan instead ?
We pay 4% of the value of our house to rent. It would cost me at least 4.5% to borrow that money - and then it's all tied up in a massive asset that may well already be falling in value.
3. Whilst a house to you is a house, to your wife it is a home and she will be a lot happier than she is right now if she were to live in a home rather than in a house.
Actually, by buying now you will achieve also two other things i.e.
your wife will be happier and, as a consequence, the quality of your sex life will improve as well.
You've really hit the mark there! For the first year there was not a day that went by when my wife didn't plead for us to buy something. I felt like a heartless, cruel & monstrous man. So I bought her a lovely Lexus (that will probably hold it's value better ... ha ha), a 6'6" bed, and we got reacquainted. One day I do hope to buy her the house of her dreams, but I'm happy to wait for a buyer's market.
4. Owning one's home means that one then is more inclined to spend money on furnishings (which one otherwise wouldn't be inclined to do as they may not suit the next house when there is a need to move house.)
Exactly my point. One weekend not spent in a godawful DIY store is a weekend to savour.
5. Owning real estate is an excellent way of diversification. It doesn't matter how good one is at trading shares (etc), if one lives long enough, inevitably the time will come that one will blow up. (remember the story about the monkeys busily typing away and eventually one of them managing to type the complete works of Shakespear ?).
I may well be a monkey, but diversification in my book is not tying up 200% of my net worth in an illiquid asset.
Chances are that you will pass away before the time arrives for you to blow up. But, .......... what IF it were to happen to you in your lifetime ?
Every night I am taunted in my dreams by Nicholas Taleb. I'm paranoid about blowing up. But I do try to trust myself to do the right thing.
Would you have the resources (money) AND the courage to start all over again with practically nothing ?
Will your marriage blow up too if your account blows up and you are out in the street with nowhere to live because you are broke ?
So why not play safe and diversify now ?
I just don't know. You are right to ask. And it would be an immense challenge. Maybe I will have more time for gardening in time to come ...........
Cheers all. Who else loves to rent ?